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	<title>Comments on: Spying On The Competition</title>
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		<title>By: Sarainy</title>
		<link>http://dominateyourserver.com/2009/09/18/spying-on-the-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-18610</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarainy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is worth noting that Auctioneer has default settings for &#039;Outliers&#039; to stop the prices being pushed up by people posting things at say 700% price for a couple of days.

Not being at home means I can&#039;t check these values, but it is worth noting that they are in place.

Obviously this works perfectly against people who are clueless to the Auctioneer value of the item, want the item now, or are simply too stupid to see what is happening  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is worth noting that Auctioneer has default settings for &#8216;Outliers&#8217; to stop the prices being pushed up by people posting things at say 700% price for a couple of days.</p>
<p>Not being at home means I can&#8217;t check these values, but it is worth noting that they are in place.</p>
<p>Obviously this works perfectly against people who are clueless to the Auctioneer value of the item, want the item now, or are simply too stupid to see what is happening  <img src='http://dominateyourserver.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lawbringer</title>
		<link>http://dominateyourserver.com/2009/09/18/spying-on-the-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-18470</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawbringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually we have mentioned it, although not in this particular light, but it&#039;s good that you bring it up.  We actually recommend that you use a DK for your main banking toon since you can run them up to level 65 and get a couple of professions such as enchanting and alchemy covered with no sweat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually we have mentioned it, although not in this particular light, but it&#8217;s good that you bring it up.  We actually recommend that you use a DK for your main banking toon since you can run them up to level 65 and get a couple of professions such as enchanting and alchemy covered with no sweat.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Ward</title>
		<link>http://dominateyourserver.com/2009/09/18/spying-on-the-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-18452</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I look at the percent of the mark up in auctioneer to look at capping. Or just look under the main tab of a catagory and filter by %. it&#039;s pretty easy. 

One thing I wanted to mention that I have never heard anyone discuss on this board (most likely an oversight) With all the account hacking and crap that is going on, I Highly reccomend running your main Bank alt to level 11 at Least. If you loose your account, Nothing under level 11 is recoverable. This is just an FYI for the lvl 1 banker alts out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I look at the percent of the mark up in auctioneer to look at capping. Or just look under the main tab of a catagory and filter by %. it&#8217;s pretty easy. </p>
<p>One thing I wanted to mention that I have never heard anyone discuss on this board (most likely an oversight) With all the account hacking and crap that is going on, I Highly reccomend running your main Bank alt to level 11 at Least. If you loose your account, Nothing under level 11 is recoverable. This is just an FYI for the lvl 1 banker alts out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Laythe</title>
		<link>http://dominateyourserver.com/2009/09/18/spying-on-the-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-18319</link>
		<dc:creator>Laythe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 16:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, take into account that this is only suggested if you have 2-5k in gold as a starting investment for instant price capping.  That way, you can&#039;t get snowed under because you already own or are buying all the supply you can get.  At those numbers, You can increase the cap to upwards of 900%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, take into account that this is only suggested if you have 2-5k in gold as a starting investment for instant price capping.  That way, you can&#8217;t get snowed under because you already own or are buying all the supply you can get.  At those numbers, You can increase the cap to upwards of 900%.</p>
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		<title>By: Laythe</title>
		<link>http://dominateyourserver.com/2009/09/18/spying-on-the-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-18318</link>
		<dc:creator>Laythe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 16:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you&#039;re 50% right.

You don&#039;t have to price cap for long to see some profit.  Just remember, we&#039;re not going for 5-10G profit per item.  Any increase over your invested amount is profit.  That was Law&#039;s whole point.  In true price capping, you&#039;re focusing on completely overtaking an item on the AH.  Say it&#039;s Copper Ore.  In the end result, you want to have over 75% of the copper ore on the AH as yours, and at your capped price.  If people need copper ore in stacks, they&#039;re gonna have to buy at least a few of your stacks, because you&#039;ve already bought out everyone pricing below you, and relisted at your higher price.  Capping at over 500% steadily brings the price median (percentage) higher.  Buy X at 5G, relist at 25G.  If you list 20 stacks of 20 at 25G, the percentage is going to change, and start people trying to sell similar items at close to the new median price.  After the median (100%) price goes up 1-2G, resell at the median price, and make profit.  That&#039;s also why it&#039;s suggested to start trying this method with enchant mats, so you don&#039;t get eaten alive by deposit costs while you&#039;re getting used to it.

Just remember, you&#039;re not trying to push the price up to your 500%, just increase the 100% median slightly by skewing the items Auctioneer scans.  That&#039;s why just putting up a couple stacks here or there doesn&#039;t work.  You have to put enough product (and not just 1 stack seperated into 20 single-item auctions) to really affect the overall market value.  Scans count raw numbers of items, not numbers of auctions for that item.  So 20 single items will have the same affect as a single 20 stack.  The goal is to dominate one corner of the market completely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you&#8217;re 50% right.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to price cap for long to see some profit.  Just remember, we&#8217;re not going for 5-10G profit per item.  Any increase over your invested amount is profit.  That was Law&#8217;s whole point.  In true price capping, you&#8217;re focusing on completely overtaking an item on the AH.  Say it&#8217;s Copper Ore.  In the end result, you want to have over 75% of the copper ore on the AH as yours, and at your capped price.  If people need copper ore in stacks, they&#8217;re gonna have to buy at least a few of your stacks, because you&#8217;ve already bought out everyone pricing below you, and relisted at your higher price.  Capping at over 500% steadily brings the price median (percentage) higher.  Buy X at 5G, relist at 25G.  If you list 20 stacks of 20 at 25G, the percentage is going to change, and start people trying to sell similar items at close to the new median price.  After the median (100%) price goes up 1-2G, resell at the median price, and make profit.  That&#8217;s also why it&#8217;s suggested to start trying this method with enchant mats, so you don&#8217;t get eaten alive by deposit costs while you&#8217;re getting used to it.</p>
<p>Just remember, you&#8217;re not trying to push the price up to your 500%, just increase the 100% median slightly by skewing the items Auctioneer scans.  That&#8217;s why just putting up a couple stacks here or there doesn&#8217;t work.  You have to put enough product (and not just 1 stack seperated into 20 single-item auctions) to really affect the overall market value.  Scans count raw numbers of items, not numbers of auctions for that item.  So 20 single items will have the same affect as a single 20 stack.  The goal is to dominate one corner of the market completely.</p>
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		<title>By: Agael</title>
		<link>http://dominateyourserver.com/2009/09/18/spying-on-the-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-18303</link>
		<dc:creator>Agael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 07:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A year ago i tried price capping, and lost a lot of time being so busy on the ah. I bought lower priced stuff and put it back on for a much higher price. It didn&#039;t take long before others started selling for the normal  prices. 
I think you have to keep buying for a long long period (maybe even 2 months or so)  and concentrate on only a few items, in order to change the market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A year ago i tried price capping, and lost a lot of time being so busy on the ah. I bought lower priced stuff and put it back on for a much higher price. It didn&#8217;t take long before others started selling for the normal  prices.<br />
I think you have to keep buying for a long long period (maybe even 2 months or so)  and concentrate on only a few items, in order to change the market.</p>
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		<title>By: Hoofu</title>
		<link>http://dominateyourserver.com/2009/09/18/spying-on-the-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-18287</link>
		<dc:creator>Hoofu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be surprised if capping at &gt;500% really works at all. 300%, I can see that lasting a few days, but surely you&#039;re going to be snowed under with supply outstripping your ability to buy it up, at least on fast movers like ore and cloth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be surprised if capping at &gt;500% really works at all. 300%, I can see that lasting a few days, but surely you&#8217;re going to be snowed under with supply outstripping your ability to buy it up, at least on fast movers like ore and cloth?</p>
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		<title>By: Laythe</title>
		<link>http://dominateyourserver.com/2009/09/18/spying-on-the-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-18285</link>
		<dc:creator>Laythe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been following Law&#039;s price-capping method for a while now, and let me just say IT WORKS.  Even though there isn&#039;t an area in auctioneer that picks up on this, you can watch the market in trade goods.  Enchant mats, foods, ore, cloth, stone, etc.  I usually narrow my searches to particular level sets.

A lot of folks in larger guilds (which is most of Fenris) tend to start alts at the same time.  One member will say &#039;well, maybe I should start a priest&#039;, and about 3-4 of his/her guildmates joins in for faster levelling, and easier instance runs.  Those alts are also at the same prof levels at around the same time.  Watch the market for what&#039;s moving, especially if it&#039;s moving fast.  Take copper ore for example. If it&#039;s disappearring off the AH like crazy and has unusually high numbers for the 7 and 3 day average buyouts, then there&#039;s where the investment lies.  Just don&#039;t sit on a single items too long.  Price-cap it, make your gold, and get out.  Those same alts are gonna be looking for bronze bars soon after, so investing in some tin and using your remaining copper to make bars would be a great way to get rid of excess product.  Think of what your own toons needed at those levels, and follow that trend.

I followed this method with enchant mats for a while, and walked away with a big smile.  I was using Dust, so I started with Dream Dust, and just went up one dust level every week for about a month, using my profits from the last set to buy up my next amounts.  By the time I reached Inf Dust (which is part of my rotating auctions anyways) I had about 16 stacks extra, sold them at my usual rotating price, and ended up making 1500G compared to my initial 950G investment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been following Law&#8217;s price-capping method for a while now, and let me just say IT WORKS.  Even though there isn&#8217;t an area in auctioneer that picks up on this, you can watch the market in trade goods.  Enchant mats, foods, ore, cloth, stone, etc.  I usually narrow my searches to particular level sets.</p>
<p>A lot of folks in larger guilds (which is most of Fenris) tend to start alts at the same time.  One member will say &#8216;well, maybe I should start a priest&#8217;, and about 3-4 of his/her guildmates joins in for faster levelling, and easier instance runs.  Those alts are also at the same prof levels at around the same time.  Watch the market for what&#8217;s moving, especially if it&#8217;s moving fast.  Take copper ore for example. If it&#8217;s disappearring off the AH like crazy and has unusually high numbers for the 7 and 3 day average buyouts, then there&#8217;s where the investment lies.  Just don&#8217;t sit on a single items too long.  Price-cap it, make your gold, and get out.  Those same alts are gonna be looking for bronze bars soon after, so investing in some tin and using your remaining copper to make bars would be a great way to get rid of excess product.  Think of what your own toons needed at those levels, and follow that trend.</p>
<p>I followed this method with enchant mats for a while, and walked away with a big smile.  I was using Dust, so I started with Dream Dust, and just went up one dust level every week for about a month, using my profits from the last set to buy up my next amounts.  By the time I reached Inf Dust (which is part of my rotating auctions anyways) I had about 16 stacks extra, sold them at my usual rotating price, and ended up making 1500G compared to my initial 950G investment.</p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
		<link>http://dominateyourserver.com/2009/09/18/spying-on-the-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-18282</link>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know of any feature that &quot;detects&quot; capping.  It is usually apparent by the % above mean....if you see 1k% or more its probably someone trying to cap that market...or, as the article states, it could just be a flub fluke. And like Tim Ward said, be careful if  YOU are not the capper, because if they decide to abandon that market while you are on vacation, you may get caught with your pants down and lose your investment as the market snaps back to (sub) normal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know of any feature that &#8220;detects&#8221; capping.  It is usually apparent by the % above mean&#8230;.if you see 1k% or more its probably someone trying to cap that market&#8230;or, as the article states, it could just be a flub fluke. And like Tim Ward said, be careful if  YOU are not the capper, because if they decide to abandon that market while you are on vacation, you may get caught with your pants down and lose your investment as the market snaps back to (sub) normal.</p>
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		<title>By: Superglue</title>
		<link>http://dominateyourserver.com/2009/09/18/spying-on-the-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-18274</link>
		<dc:creator>Superglue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a feature on auctioneer that can help spot this, or do you have to manuially sift through the AH?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a feature on auctioneer that can help spot this, or do you have to manuially sift through the AH?</p>
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