Spying On The Competition
Posted on September 18th, 2009 by Lawbringer under Auction House, Economics, Exploits, General Tips, Gold Building, Gold Farming, Low Level, Supply And Demand, Tips, Trade Skills, Tricks, World of Warcraft, WotLKMaking Gold For Newbies Doesn’t Have To Be Guesswork
They say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Um, whatever. This is a dog eat dog world, and if you’re doing something well it’s only a matter of time before you’re not alone any more. For more than two years we’ve been teaching people how to Dominate – especially at the auction house. But from time to time we have to step back (even though the pros gripe at us) and start back at the beginning.
A few days back we brought back an article from back in the day talking about using enchanting for making gold. Amazingly we get the same old crud from people who think it’s more complicated than that, but disenchanting will always be one of the cornerstones of any good wow gold making business. But it certainly isn’t the whole story. Everyone should be using far more than enchanting to make gold and today we’re going to talk about sniffing out the pros in your market and following their lead. It’s a way to break into the business without getting your feet all that wet.
In the real world marketing sector, there is a lot of follow-the-leader. Innovation is expensive and very hit or miss. But a formula that works well tends to work pretty well for lots of things. We’re working on a technique for the very advanced gold maker, but it takes a ton of gold to do it on a lot of things and it can be risky (or at least it seems to be dangerous – the worst that can actually happen is a break even). And one of the ways we figured out what the Chinese gold farmers are REALLY doing these days came from price capping.
Price capping is also a pretty advanced technique, and you don’t have to know how to do it to make some gold using it. It works best if you’re the one in charge, but you can also ride the wave of someone else price capping if you know how to spot it and what to do when you see it. Below is one example of a price cap.
You see at the top a few stacks of Mageweave at 924% above market price. This can only be one of two things: somebody made a mistake, or someone is price capping. Of course, even the price cap might just be ignorance, but let’s give this dude the benefit of the doubt. Now, in this case the price cap is not going to work. You can’t move a market of four pages of stacks with four stacks. The only thing that’s going to happen from this move is maybe a 1% or 2% bump in the overall price of this item.
Here is another example of a price cap done right. You might recognize the name. But I also recognize the names above me. It doesn’t take too long to figure out who is price capping. When you scan for mats to resell, you’ll start to see the same five to ten names all the time. As a general rule; those guys are your real competition at the AH, and everyone else is buying them new shoes. Of course, all pros aren’t going to the hall of fame, and we’ll see why in a second.
This is the way that price capping is supposed to happen. The difference here, although you can’t see it, is that the majority of the Northern Stew on the AH has been capped which will seriously affect the price. You can also see another example of someone price capping who doesn’t really know what they are doing. After being on this particular server for a while I know that Poliea and Tracea are alt bankers for one person – whose main banking toon happens to be Katharinea, not too hard to figure out who that is after a while. But whoever it is isn’t much competition because she ends up buying all of my price cap markdowns and never price caps hard enough to actually move the market.
But more to the point, when you see something like what is happening above, it means someone is trying to move the market up. When you see that, it’s a good time to buy out whatever low priced items there are left on the AH that the price-capper has left behind and then resell immediately as prices rise. In other words, you can buy a little Northern Stew at 1 gold and resell it at 2 gold. They are pretty sure to sell since almost everything else on the market is 14 gold, if you see what I mean. Or you can cash in on their price capping push by cooking up some Northern Stew a few stacks at a time and the price-capper will probably buy you out in an effort to corner the market.
The point is that you can tag along behind the big boys and make a pretty good living riding their wake. The water is smoother and you won’t have to risk very much. Making a profit from a moving market without having to move the market is pretty shrewd, and just a little Dominating.


















Been making gold riding others coat tails for awhile now. I have never brave enpugh to risk it all on trying to actually cap a market myself. I will however take advantage of someone elses efforts to cap a market. I usually end up being bought out by the price capper but hey who cares I still double my money most of the time and very rarely ever take a lose.
Themain problem I find doing this is Consistancy. most bank alts (like myself) get tired of dealing with the same products. Basically, once the price capper stops, or cashes in, Very quickly (within a week) the price drops back down – so if your Not the capper, and you Do buy below 90% value of that item before the run-up, Make sure you keep a keen eye on When the capper Stops.
FYI – I find the drop back down to be Most relevent with things that are moved Quickly, like Ore, Cloth, and Herbs. Already cooked food takes a little time to consume while you are running around, but most people by the afore mentioned items for Instant consumption.
So, I developed a little Tactic I use often.
I buy 100 Stacks of copper ore (as an example). I price cap at 700% and post at double the old server price. I keep it that way posting a few low priced stacks for a week or so. I make money, and Bump the Market. I will keep it that way until the average is now x2 of previous price (over a weekend is good). Then I End short my caps and post Everything at 1.5x and 1.75x the old market price (which is about x3 of paid price). Mostlikely on a friday morning before work.
I will sell All my stacks, as people who posted while my Cap was up, thinking it would be Up for 2 more days, miss out. weekend hit – all my ore sells.
Now, I agree that I could have just kept posting my ore at x2 (x4 more than paid price) But, I would sacrifice a .25% to .50% profit for a fast and almost guarrenteed sale.
Additionally, If you Dont handle the capping yourself, you should Really pay attention.
Anyway – Great post as always. I miss thePod Casts. I listen to them at work… Hope all is well. and Good Money Making!!!
Smart; I was always undercutting these people closely, thinking that “WE” can affect the market together, and occasionally scoring when the bigger buyer decides to buy me out (but it is rare) at a ridiculously inflated price just b/c they want the market. Now you have enlightened me, better to make a double or triple profit many times (with a much higher likelyhood that the inflator will buy your lower priced items) than to earn a large amount very occasionally… I like it….
Is there a feature on auctioneer that can help spot this, or do you have to manuially sift through the AH?
I don’t know of any feature that “detects” capping. It is usually apparent by the % above mean….if you see 1k% or more its probably someone trying to cap that market…or, as the article states, it could just be a flub fluke. And like Tim Ward said, be careful if YOU are not the capper, because if they decide to abandon that market while you are on vacation, you may get caught with your pants down and lose your investment as the market snaps back to (sub) normal.
I look at the percent of the mark up in auctioneer to look at capping. Or just look under the main tab of a catagory and filter by %. it’s pretty easy.
One thing I wanted to mention that I have never heard anyone discuss on this board (most likely an oversight) With all the account hacking and crap that is going on, I Highly reccomend running your main Bank alt to level 11 at Least. If you loose your account, Nothing under level 11 is recoverable. This is just an FYI for the lvl 1 banker alts out there.
I’ve been following Law’s price-capping method for a while now, and let me just say IT WORKS. Even though there isn’t an area in auctioneer that picks up on this, you can watch the market in trade goods. Enchant mats, foods, ore, cloth, stone, etc. I usually narrow my searches to particular level sets.
A lot of folks in larger guilds (which is most of Fenris) tend to start alts at the same time. One member will say ‘well, maybe I should start a priest’, and about 3-4 of his/her guildmates joins in for faster levelling, and easier instance runs. Those alts are also at the same prof levels at around the same time. Watch the market for what’s moving, especially if it’s moving fast. Take copper ore for example. If it’s disappearring off the AH like crazy and has unusually high numbers for the 7 and 3 day average buyouts, then there’s where the investment lies. Just don’t sit on a single items too long. Price-cap it, make your gold, and get out. Those same alts are gonna be looking for bronze bars soon after, so investing in some tin and using your remaining copper to make bars would be a great way to get rid of excess product. Think of what your own toons needed at those levels, and follow that trend.
I followed this method with enchant mats for a while, and walked away with a big smile. I was using Dust, so I started with Dream Dust, and just went up one dust level every week for about a month, using my profits from the last set to buy up my next amounts. By the time I reached Inf Dust (which is part of my rotating auctions anyways) I had about 16 stacks extra, sold them at my usual rotating price, and ended up making 1500G compared to my initial 950G investment.
I’d be surprised if capping at >500% really works at all. 300%, I can see that lasting a few days, but surely you’re going to be snowed under with supply outstripping your ability to buy it up, at least on fast movers like ore and cloth?
Again, take into account that this is only suggested if you have 2-5k in gold as a starting investment for instant price capping. That way, you can’t get snowed under because you already own or are buying all the supply you can get. At those numbers, You can increase the cap to upwards of 900%.
A year ago i tried price capping, and lost a lot of time being so busy on the ah. I bought lower priced stuff and put it back on for a much higher price. It didn’t take long before others started selling for the normal prices.
I think you have to keep buying for a long long period (maybe even 2 months or so) and concentrate on only a few items, in order to change the market.
Well, you’re 50% right.
You don’t have to price cap for long to see some profit. Just remember, we’re not going for 5-10G profit per item. Any increase over your invested amount is profit. That was Law’s whole point. In true price capping, you’re focusing on completely overtaking an item on the AH. Say it’s Copper Ore. In the end result, you want to have over 75% of the copper ore on the AH as yours, and at your capped price. If people need copper ore in stacks, they’re gonna have to buy at least a few of your stacks, because you’ve already bought out everyone pricing below you, and relisted at your higher price. Capping at over 500% steadily brings the price median (percentage) higher. Buy X at 5G, relist at 25G. If you list 20 stacks of 20 at 25G, the percentage is going to change, and start people trying to sell similar items at close to the new median price. After the median (100%) price goes up 1-2G, resell at the median price, and make profit. That’s also why it’s suggested to start trying this method with enchant mats, so you don’t get eaten alive by deposit costs while you’re getting used to it.
Just remember, you’re not trying to push the price up to your 500%, just increase the 100% median slightly by skewing the items Auctioneer scans. That’s why just putting up a couple stacks here or there doesn’t work. You have to put enough product (and not just 1 stack seperated into 20 single-item auctions) to really affect the overall market value. Scans count raw numbers of items, not numbers of auctions for that item. So 20 single items will have the same affect as a single 20 stack. The goal is to dominate one corner of the market completely.
Actually we have mentioned it, although not in this particular light, but it’s good that you bring it up. We actually recommend that you use a DK for your main banking toon since you can run them up to level 65 and get a couple of professions such as enchanting and alchemy covered with no sweat.
It is worth noting that Auctioneer has default settings for ‘Outliers’ to stop the prices being pushed up by people posting things at say 700% price for a couple of days.
Not being at home means I can’t check these values, but it is worth noting that they are in place.
Obviously this works perfectly against people who are clueless to the Auctioneer value of the item, want the item now, or are simply too stupid to see what is happening