Adventures in Healing pt. 2
Posted on August 7th, 2009 by Compy under Alliance, Exploits, Funny, General Tips, Grinding, Healing, Humor, Instances, Leveling, Low Level, PVE, Paladin, Power Leveling, Powerleveling, Tank, World of Warcraft, WotLK
When we left off, I had just left Tankzilla’s group because he pulled a whole room and we wiped and the hunter ninja-hearthed after winning an EPIC (:roll:) two-handed mace.
About 2 minutes later, I got an invite to another group from someone we’ll call Dwarfadin. “To [Compy]: Please heal DM, we have a good group.”
He was at least polite, so I joined. Too bad Dwarfadin’s and my ideas of a “good” group seemed to be radically different. On paper, sure, the group seemed OK. Dwarfadin himself was only level 16, a bit low for Deadmines, but there was a 22 Rogue, a 20 Warrior, and an 18 Hunter. Before we got inside, the warrior felt the need to announce to everyone that he wasn’t a tank, and Dwarfadin said it was ok because he was.
Ok. Level 16 tank. I felt like perhaps I could heal him through it, although Van Cleef might have been trouble. I really didn’t care if we killed Van Cleef, I already had my Staff of Westfall. I was just there for XP.
As we fought our way to the entrance, I kept expecting Dwarfadin to pull out his shield. While we were outside, away from any elites, it didn’t really matter, after all. But, after we get in and he starts pulling, and by pulling I mean running around and attacking everything randomly, I noticed he still had his 2H Axe.
I figured he may have just forgotten to put on his shield. I can understand how melee classes can get caught up in fighting, especially when they’re attacking things randomly and ignoring the casters, who are lobbing giant fireballs at the healer, and not killing the mobs who run off with 4 hp to bring back 3 friends who go straight for the healer who decides to just spam Holy Nova over and over…
So I asked Dwarfadin where his shield was. He said he didn’t have one. I was shocked (well, maybe not so much); ANOTHER paladin who thinks he can tank sans-shield! Having horrible, Tankzilla flashbacks, I told him he was “[expletive deleted] stupid.” Then he said he had a shield, and he would use it on the boss. Fine, I said, “then I might heal you on the boss.”
For the rest of our adventure, Dwarfadin asked me to heal him with increasing intensity. Eventually he was yelling:
“COMPY YOUR MANA HAS NEVER BEEN BELOW 500 HEAL ME!”
I healed the rogue, the “fury” warrior, and the hunter’s pet, Bongles, but I never healed Dwarfadin.
I calmly explained that if he’d had a shield, I would heal him.
Then he said, “I’m a DPS tank!” and called me a terrible healer, and I was kicked out of the group.
lol just unlucky, problem is usually all players are that bad
A DPS tank!… Love it!!
Haha wow, are you recruiting guys straight out of barrens chat?
Is it always this bad or do we not hear about the good groups you get into?
LOL! DPS Tank. Sorry you are having such a horrible time but the stories are entertaining.
I remember when my 75 pally was about a 22 or so and so was my buddy he had same class and level. The leader got upset with me when we were almost to Van Cleef because I kept mentioning his brilliant playing skills and why he was needing everything. (he reminds me so much of the idiots in your group here) he kicked me out and not realizing I was friends with the other pally we both left. They were left right at that Tauren guy (i forget his name) with no healing at all lmao.
After we hearthed I ran his toon and he ran mine with out 70’s lol. (was before wotlk) so didn’t hurt us much except in the xp department.
sorry I meant to write “our 70’s” not “out 70’s” lol oops.
I like this kind of stories…
I am a level 20 healer/druid and i wouldn’t even have known if a paladin needs a shield. If a guy tells me he is a dps tank i think its ok.
That’s because you are one of the problem children.
I’m a healer-tank. Come on, I can send my void, and do some life stealing…isn’t it right? lol.
Any pally or warrior or thinks they can tank with no shield is not a tank, and should not be allowed to try. At any level. Saying you’re a “DPS tank” is the equivalent of saying you are not a tank. Just so you know.
I’m a dps healer.
I can’t wait to see what the “You’re a jerk, waaaa” people say about this post. Its going to be hilarious! Thanks for the laugh
Sorry bud, it’s not gunna get better until…well, for a while.
And with all the changes to faster leveling, its just gotten worse. = (
I am a wand wielding DPS Healer Tank, can I come on a run with you?
Lmfao! Dude Compy thats hilarious. I was once a n00b but not that bad. Lmao @tim
I am a Shammy I heal have duel specs and I heal on the dungeon runs. I think next time I go healing I will wear my DPS armor and spec but claim I am a DPS healer and see how long we last with me doing both LOL.
I was healing a Pally tank one time and he did not use a shield. Heran into a room full of skeletons pulled the whole room and it looked like he had maybe 30 or 40 skeletons on him. I was a level 60 something and when he died he blamed me for not healing him. I Just politely said “hat was !@#$%^& manly #$%^&* pull dude you can not out pull your %^&*()$ healers mana pool”, and then left the group. It took us an hour to gweet that far and I ran the same dungeon again with a groups of friends and we completed the whole thing in an hour.
Hey and on a side note I heal with a shield LMAO.
I have a similar story. I was running Heroic AN with a group i was pugged into and before the first boss we wiped 2 times. I was the healer and using DBM as i should i saw that one of the other players right before he died was pulling aggro, then all focus would be on me, Dead then so on. well it was my fault. Well i made it known that every wipe said toon was pulling aggro. anywho i was doing a solid 2k HPS which in 5 man as a druid…not to bad i didnt think. well come boss 2, 2 more wipes and i got shunned for being a terrible healer and kicked out and conbstantly whispered being told how terrible i am. . . Group make up was DK (tank) 3 Warriors (DPS) and me… i told them it wouldnt work. am i wrong? please advise!
I also use Healbot…
2k Heals per second is ok for a heroic, but as a druid you should try to aim to keep the dps up as well as the tank. I know it’s hard an all that but even rejuv can keep them up long enough for the tank do his thing. Also, it’ll increase hps if everyone’s getting healed (an easy way to lie to get into a raid!)
If only there were no such thing as puggs, there’s just too many stupid people in the world… Of Warcraft.
Also, all plate groups are notoriously fail. The lack of good aoes means a lack of good grouping.
lol Compy. I’ve had runs like that too. Pally’s should ALWAYS have at least 2 gear sets. One for questing (2H weap) and one for instances (shielded). Try being a decent DPS, having a good tank, and having a healer that pulls and doesn’t heal until he ‘has to’.
Next thing y’know, he’s outta mana, screaming, ‘I’m getting outta here so I can rez you when you’re all dead!’ I’ve had it happen to me twice in the last 2 weeks trying to do runs with my 22 hunter. *sigh*
Dwarfadin reminds me of a warrior I had the “pleasure” of healing in UBRS, back in the day. He started the instance with a 2H equipped, so I asked him if he had a shield. He said yes, and put on a shield – with NO weapon in his main hand. I then asked him where his weapon was – he didn’t have any 1H weapons, so he proceeded to tank the entire instance unarmed…
I have now learned – ask “do you have a shield AND a 1H?”
very lol
i once had a mage tell me he didnt learn polymorph because he was a “fire mage”
and in the same group i had the tank “/taunt” a mob when i told him to taunt it off me.
/taunt you say………..
And I thought my tank was a nub O-M-G I was SO wrong LOL
However I did roll my mage as a response to an idiot mage who refused to polymorph (Heroic Shattered Halls before any nerf) because he was aoe pulling back in the day.
I ran into the guy in IF a few hours after before the 3.2 patch as I was gem shopping for my 4th Tier 8.5 piece when he asked how I got such awesome kit.
I replayed:
A: I have Omen.
B: I let the tank keep agro.
C: I know how to sheep!
…lol
between after and before the was supposed to be “Ulduar 25″
lol thats funny. DPS tank
That is nothing LOL
Back in the day when I was on my lil nublet warrior. (1st toon, a million and one mistakes LOL) I did a Sunken Temple run with a buddy of mine. My buddy kicked the dwarf priest because after six or seven S T U P I D wipes to crappy heals he ran the damage meter and discovered my dps warrior topped healing meter with just over 67% of the total heals with bandages! Needless to say we got another healer.
Maybe the priest was so nub he forgot to train higher rank heals? lol XD Yea, I met one of those before.
As a healer my biggest complaint has always been against the tank that can’t hold arrago. Seems every time I run across one of these, It’s always the healers fault. Fight starts; tank gets at 2/3rds health so I start with the little heals. Tank gets to ½ health, I put a shield on him and keep sending little heals his way. Tank drops below ½ health, shield is gone, shield timer is not yet up so I lay on the big heal, bring him back to full health. All the mobs now attack me. I bubble and try healing myself. I die due to the 6 mobs attacking me, while the tank is off in the corner working on one mob. No healer now, group wipes. It’s the healers’ fault. I try to explain, how can I? I was dead! Sure nice though to be in a group where the tank knows what they are doing. When I run across a noob that wants to learn, I give them this url as one of the places to start learning.
I hear ya there, Rege. If you have a good group, and the healer’s doing his job, there should be no problems. Healers shouldn’t die. Period. They shouldn’t fight much at all, and they shouldn’t die. It’s not always the tank’s fault, though, either, it’s the group as a whole.
The DPS’s should hold off the mobs from the healer when things are getting thick. Bad tanks lose track of things pretty quickly. From my experience, the worse the tank, the less aggro he can hold and the more focused on 1 or 2 mobs they’ll be. The worse the tank AND Dps’s, the more the healer needs healed or just dies. Then the group’s doomed.
To be completely honest, IMO, healers should be the group leaders. It’d take a lot of headache out of most instances.
Keep your chin up, Rege.
idk if anyones said this yet, because I don’t want to read all the previous comments. The problem wasn’t that he didn’t use a shield. Ret pallies can tank with a 2h weap until about 55, the problem was he was too low for the instance.
I actually don’t know what is worse. A paladin at 16 who doesn’t understand how to tank, or a warrior at 20 who can’t figure out how to throw on a sword and board and tank when needed.
Seriously, at those levels you don’t need to be a “tank spec” to tank. You just need to be able to keep yourself from having a cranio-rectal insertion moment.
Great posts! I am learning healz as an 80 resto Druid. You really are out there as a healer. When the group fails, it MUST be you- even if you are killed over and over again because the Tank can’t hold aggro. sigh.
Still, when it’s good, it’s good. Ran H Nexus today with a great PUG, and got the achievement. So press on!
The problem now is that it is to easy to level up toons.
It dosn’t matter what faction, race or class people pick as they level up so fast they do not learn how to play the class untill they hit 80.
If they took the time to talk to others of thier class and experement with rotations, and learn what thier class can and can’t do, great things can happen.
I remember pre-BC doing runs like scholo with 4 hunters and a holy pally for heals, full clear and only pet deaths. I was the best geared hunter with full blues and the DHC gun. Tried it again just after BC with fast leveled hunters (lvl 60-66)and it was a failure as they couldn’t use cc or control pets.
My Warrior arms spec tanked ZF at lvl 46 with a 2h weap, had a lvl 50 or 51 druid heals, small pulls. (guild run for fun)
At 70 my Enh kara geared shaman tanked normal mana tombs, duel wielding, several times.
Just wish people would listen to, or ask for advice. It would make things alot easier for everyone.
Great thread.
My DK tank is dead
My healopriest heals like a thoroughbred
My Warriortank’s shield is pure lead
Learn both aspects of the game, you said?
If you think that this is bad, try a pug bg as alli! My huntard is well geared, and I keep my rotations and dps well managed – yet it never fails that (1) in AB nobody guards the flag, calls inc or even fights on the flags (fail) (2) in EOTS 50% of the alli flock to the flag and fail to fight on flags (fail) (3) in SOA everyone scatters, tanks do not group and are not defended, graveyards are not captured (fail) (4) you get the idea
In PUGs we lose 80% of the time – with my guildies we win at least 80%. Some aspects of the game are the same no matter what – you need good players with you in order to play well…
moar adventured in healing, plx
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