And that is why I sooooo hate pugs. Thank god for guildies. I feel for you brother, having to go through that. Ughh!

Hahaha I got the biggest kick out of this article… thank you for that! Just another addition to the “Why Allies Suck” list. I’ve only made 1 alli ever… I believe she’s still under level 5

I myself took a risk of and pugged a Naxx25 on my Disc Priest yesterday (hey, I need a new MH!). After the Raid Leader gladly handed me the reigns to explain the Thaddius fight (”i’ve never dun him befor”), I had to argue with half of the raid who insisted that putting positive charges on the left and negative charges on the right was “WRONG. WHY U TELLING WRONG THINGS?”. 3 wipes later, I was out of there.

And as far as Alliance noobery goes, I completely agree. I’ve been Alliance almost my entire time playing WoW, and it’s AMAZING how uncoordinated they still are during any Battleground. It’s like herding cats, I tell you….herding cats.

Okay, you got some bad luck there, in all the levels on my human warlock I have only once or twice been in a group with complete morons. Even when I was in a group with complete morons, it was either they were noobs, idiots, or plain jackasses. You must have chosen a bad server there, not all allies are idiots, just because you have a few bad runs in an instance. You can’t let a few dumb asses represent the alliance. (I think you got the whispers backwards)

this is why i deleted my alli warrior and hunter and stuck to horde

No Hunter on the face of Azeroth can use a Mace, except to vendor or disenchant it, but I guess you knew that.

I’ve played on both sides, and actually i’ll say this… are DUMB people on both sides of the fence JUST not alliance. As an 80 DK and Warlock seen some really horrible people… like….

Horde
Level 20, WC: warrior tanking and he cant hold aggro… using a two hander, still cant hold aggro… so i ask him! ” are you using sunder? ” he replies to me ” whts tat!” i almost want to gogue my eyes out! so i explain and he lawl at me and says ” warriors don’t get sunder yet!” news flash sunder is attained at level 10!

Alliance
Dead mines, level 18 paladin: so i’m tanking and marking and doing my thing not to had i mean i’m a paladin? oh wait is during 2.0! and ya know before uber paladin days! so proving myself when this warlock(mind you i’ve played a warlock since old days its my main!) fears…so i calmly explain NOT to do that and why because i’m nice! he promptly continues to fear… and wipe us time and again!

Morale of the story? low levels are alot of stupid people, do stupid things because, ethier A: new, or B: don’t know how instance works think there wtf awsome at every class and refuse to take tips! my advice? STAY clear of instances till outland or face the pain of stupid people!

And thus the law of all healers remains,
“Can’t heal stupid”

Its not always lowbies
Met ALOT of 80s still being mindnumbing dumb. Normally dumbness is spotted in the gear choices, at 80 theres a huge selection so when you see a hunter in cloth gear with SP and mp5 you kinda worry. When hes packing the Skull cleaver from HoL you want to be a tad more worried.
One of our late night, slightly drunk naxx10 fun runs we ended up PuGing a couple of people, a warlock with AP gems apparently turned up. Alot of facepalming but we thought “Should be amusing”, he had his felguard out, standing guard. All the time. He didnt want it to die.

You’ll get idiots of every race/class/faction/level, (although on average the DK is by far the dumbest class as everyone has one) as long as you dont get more then 1 for every 2 decent players its not too bad.

HAHA!!! this is hillarious I just turned coats and went horde recently and I have to say that this is the most accurate account of Alliance players I have ever seen.

I’ll say this. The comments about some players on both sides being equaly stupid is entirely true. I’ve played Chars for both factions. I have ran & pugged for many, many groups. My recommendation is that if you find people in a group you like add them to your friends list & run with them more often. Put those you can’t stand on ignore so you’ll have a list of those to avoid in the future. Either way, do your best to enjoy the game. Even if you end up surrounded by nOObz that need to re-roll as another class or just buy a clue.

You know that if more worthless stuff like this is posted it’s just going to drive people away… right?
Dominating servers, and making fun of Alliance.. GG..
Not everyone on alliance side just got out of school for the day.

yep- I’ve played alli since 1month after BC.

I’ve found that vent is the best filter for such characters. You can tell who is abviously too hardcore, who has horrible ADD(that’s me) and who just needs a /gkick.

As for stuff pre-vent necessity; pug at ur own risk. I normally call on guildies to either run me or grab alts to run w/.

As for alli disfunctionality- get used to it. You will hear horde QQ (some waranted, other is just trollQQ) you will lose 75+% of ur BGs and WG.

However, there are quite a few cases of- Dad’s a lvl 80 mage, and son is lvling a lvl 36 huntard….u gotta put up w/ the kid in order to get dad to raid w/ ya……

My biggest worry is this transfaction rumor I’ve been hearing. I’m horrified to think what’ll happen if any1 who’s upset w/ alli can just pay $30 bucks to switch a human mage into a BE mage.

Come on Gavin! There is no shortage of stupidity on both Horde and Alliance sides. I have played both for several years and the reason all of the humor resonates is because we have ALL seen it on either side. Maybe if there was a way to link accounts to someones age…send the kiddies to play Wizard 101 or a kids only server, or have an adults only server. Just a thought! Keep up the good work-
Lyteswrath, your Boomkin of delight – Vek’Nilash

Really? People are that uptight that they can’t take a joke? Good riddance – lolz. We all know this happens on both sides of the fence, and I can’t help it if Compy is factionist. Har, the whole concept makes me laugh even more. BTW, Compy is going to be an alliance level 80 before too long anyway, so if he really meant any of the pokes at ally as something serious the toon would have been deleted.

For the most part there is a difference between alliance and horde. I know that all of my ally toons are permanently out of trade chat, while on horde I only use the ignore button a lot. Guild chat is so much better anyway, and trade chat is for goobers (on both sides). Oops, did I just offend a goober out there? Sigh, you’ll get over it. I’m just a big a goober for not using it, of course.

LIGHTEN UP AND HAVE A LAUGH!

I agree that both sides have their moments, and Lawbringer, let me just point out that Barrens chat and Elwynn Forest chat are very nearly interchangeable and prove the point that mediocrity abounds at low levels on both sides of the game…lol. The lower ranks (up to 20 or so) are obviously packed with younger players who inevitably give up when the levels start coming more slowly. I know my twelve year old is that way. He enjoys doing BGs on my 80s (I have both horde and ally), but the highest level toon he has ever achieved on his own is 19. And…he pugged Deadmines with that character. I think the bottom line should be that more serious players on either side really don’t participate in pugs for VC, RFC or any low level dungeon for that matter unless you’re doing it with all people you know for fun ( o.O ). I know I have been through all of those dozens of times on my low level toons, but only once with a group of at level toons…long, long ago. If you don’t have someone to run you through a dungeon at those levels, skip them, as I can almost guarantee someone (or sometwo) in the group will be 13 or under.

What a fun thread!

Seems this post has kind of morphed a bit and since it has I wanted to weigh in.

A group of friends and I re-rolled alliance after playing horde since classic and we are thrilled to have done it. It is really not true that the alliance is made up of just kids. I am a member of an established raiding guild on Kil’Jaeden consisting of mostly adults ages 24-38, I say mostly because we have one exception. A 12 year boy that none of the other elite guilds would take becasue he was just to young no exceptions. Well they are missing out on a a walking talking wowwiki that pulls 4k+ dps consistently as a boomkin and plays his resto offspec as well as any healer that I have run across. We consider him an asset to the guild and consider ourselves fortunate that no one else would take him seriously just becasue it sounded like Alvin from the Chipmunks was taling in vent.

In any case re-rolling alliance has been a breath of fresh air for most of us and what we have learned is that is just more of the same. Good people of all ages, having fun playing the game we all know and love.

Jamie awesome post thanks. I was trying to think of how to word mine and you hit it on the head.

I myself have been wanting to try horde but a few things are stopping me. Number one… I hate starting fresh with no money… actually that’s it I think lol.

Anyway everyone… take care.

Tbh, I’m surprised you got a group together for VC to begin with. However, I noticed that you said you rolled your Ally toon to prove how dumb Ally are. I also noticed that you said “predictably” once, and implied it several more times. Just because you got into a bad pug (and getting one together for VC IS predictable), doesn’t mean that Ally are dumb.

Let’s just compare for a minute. For sake of argument, we will use a pvp server as an example (because I play on one, and everyone knows that’s where the real action is).

Not only do horde have zepplins from the beginning, but they also aren’t put into a pvp area until around 30 or so. Alliance are forced into pvp around 18.

If you are going to get runthroughs to powerlevel a toon, you get to START at level 8. Ally have to wait till 10, and VC ain’t exactly close to SW when you don’t have a mount. I don’t want to hear any QQing about how we have stocks that we can farm for wool. If you want wool, there is plenty to be had in the barrens. Not only that, but when you get to level 20, you have FOUR instances you can get runthroughs in. Namely, Scarlet Monastery… another instance that is particularly tough for lowbie Ally to get to.

On top of all of that, Horde’s racials are tailored to pvp, while Ally’s are tailored to pve.

Anyone who has played both factions knows without a doubt that the game is so polarized toward horde, that is is sickening. However, it gives us Allys who own Horde more reason to smile.

I said all of that to say this. Yes, a LOT of kids play Ally. WE ALL HATE IT. However, if you have levelled an Alliance toon to level cap, and have done well for yourself (especially if you own at pvp), you have accomplished a tougher feat than ANY horde, bottom line.

Now I ask you… who is dumb?

I have been horde for the last 4 years. Every now then I feel like a change and roll alliance. I always seem to get a compulsory “come to the AH and /dance”. I also found if you want to get directions to anywhere, ask in /2. No one will answer. Until you have a friend in /2 give you the wrong directions (deliberately). Then you get /2 flooded with “N00b!!!!” followed by the correct directions.

Having said all that, on my server at least, I’ve noticed horde is getting progressively worse as well, especially amongst the lower levels and DKs. I actually suspect there are a lot of alliance players moving over to horde, and bring their “unsupervised classroom” antics with them. Today alone it seems /2 is one third “oh look at me I can swear now and no one will tell me off”, one third spammers, and one third trade chat. Although actual trade chat is shrinking.

I’m just really curious as to whether or not Compy is the beginning of an alli DYS Guild. I’ve been alli since back in classic and just couldn’t get into lvling a new toon on a new server on the opposite faction (personally I just can’t stand the city layouts for the horde and starting from scratch with no gold really sucks). But if this is the start of the DYS alli guild I will gladly begin prepping my toon(s) for transfer

I’ve been playing on alliance side of things for quite some time now, around 3 years i think, and I have found that the problem is that we CANNOT, repeat CANNOT, get organized, to any shape, state or degree, without the entire thing being pre-arranged with people sitting on the sides with absolute power.

Example: EoTS yesterday. We were 1000 points up, and when the score got to 1200-1600, I left. Reason, we, in the great tradition of herd animals everywhere, decided that having the WHOLE RAID at one node would discourage the horde. Well, thats basically the problem, not that we are all young or inexperienced, its just that we completely lack the ability to CONCENTRATE and follow instructions.

I REALLY want to roll horde, but I wish I wasn’t stuck with DK’s!

All this chatter regarding Horde/Ally and unthinking abusive PUGs just reinforces my long SOLO career. There are a great bunch of player out there, I just did not have the time to find them.

Moskito – you have hit the nail on the head there bro. But I will take issue with you on one point: there is not really a comparison between the awfulness of Barrens chat to anything else. There is nothing worse in the game. Not in the make you sick sense, but in the I can’t make any sense of this sense.

It reminds me a little of random character name generation ala DK ghouls or something. There is some sort of list of ultimate noob themes that are swirled about in a mix of utter randomisity that then slosh out of the pot into chat and just make a big mess of people’s minds. You can actually feel yourself getting dumber by the minute. I’t s sort of zone-wide Intellect draining debuff that is without parallel anywhere I have ever been.

You might perhaps state that while both Ally and Horde suffer from similar magnitudes of oddity, with Horde it tends to pool in the Barrens and Ally has a much nicer spread of weirdness across all zones.

You can get offended by ppl talking bad about the faction you play in WOW? Really? ……The best part of the game is being able to watch dumb ppl kick their own asses. If I could I would find the server and faction that had the dumbest ppl and roll a toon on it. Why? Think about it, compared to all the idiots you would look like a rockstar. Maby they will make you their leader lol

The only problem is newb hordies are like this too, just not as bad

Lawbringer’s right. I am a factionist. Playing ally side just feels dirty to me. I feel like I don’t want to be caught doing it. If my wife walks by while I’m on my ally toon I minimize the screen.

I guess it’s because I started the game when it came out, and on a PvP server. This was before Molten Core even existed, so once people got to 60, they had nothing to do (there were no BG’s either).

So, when ally 60’s got tired of standing around ironforge looking at each other’s gear, they would come to Tarren Mill, or Hammerfall, or Nesingwary’s Camp, and slaughter and spit on me over and over and over….

Now I’m sure the same exact thing happened to allies, but since I was Horde, I never experienced it, and even if I saw it, I thought of it as retribution for crimes first committed by the alliance at Tarren Mill.

It must have scarred me so deeply that I bleed Horde.

Lok’tar O’gar!

The one thing you really need to understand is that the first paragraph of the above comment from Compy had me rolling on the floor. If you understand the term “tongue in cheek” you need to know Compy has Tauren sized tongue and cheeks. As a matter of fact, don’t ever believe a word he says – especially if he sounds serious.

Hey Law and Compy. Gotta say I’ve done nothing but learn from this site and the Fenris guild since I joined. I remember the TM wipeouts on my old server (Dragonmaw, Demonsoul), and it also gave me a bad taste in my mouth whenever the word ‘Ally’ came up. A band of ungrouped lvl 60 allies would camp it in intervals, making leveling in the area impossible. We’d all scream for a 60 hordie to come ’save us’. It was like pulling teeth.

Tried running an ally here when I first came to Fenris, at the same time WotLK came out. Holy crap. Hated it. Nobody talked about the game, and those few that did didn’t know what they were talking about. Horde side I’ve gotten nothing but help and assistance with even the dumbest questions I’ve had. It’s been a learning experience instead of a nightmare.

I’ve leveled toons on both factions, on multiple servers each. So I feel pretty safe saying that you are more likely to find a bad pug on the ally side, you are more likely to want to stab yourself in the eye reading trade/general chat on the ally side, you are more likely to get tired of your toon and stop leveling/delete it on ally side, and you are less likely to be ganked for no special reason on ally side (on pvp servers, of course).

I don’t hate the alliance or anything; all of this is a natural consequence of humans and elves being allies. More people roll ally as a result, and a higher percentage of them are younger. Every disadvantage in the above paragraph is a direct result of one or both of those facts.

However, regarding Trey’s comment, he seems a little confused. The zeppelin is not any more useful than Deeprun Tram, and Wetlands and Redridge Mountains are not pvp areas, so you are not forced to level in contested territory as ally after 18. Also, Ashenvale (and to an even greater extent, Stonetalon) is just as popular a place to level for hordies as allies, in any case. Gnomeregan is actually a fairly easy pug compared to Scarlet Monastery, and is a vastly better place to learn to play class roles, even if the loot isn’t as good. The half an hour it takes to level from 8 to 10 is not significant from even the most casual players perspective, let alone power levelers, and if you think allies don’t get pvp racials, you haven’t played a human since BC.) The short of it is, the game cannot be said to be slanted toward horde in any realistic way; and even the minor pvp advantages the horde gets are strongly made up by the population advantage allies have on almost all servers.

zomg compy your my hero! You should fa sho xfer that priest and give me some expert disc-ness in 2s

I don’t mean to sound like a tool here but I did a paper on, how WoW has achieved success, through pitting the factions against each other, and how cross faction rivalry has manifested itself into physical world, and this dislike for each other gives the game a another level. After all when you meet a new person and you find out if you play wow what is the first question you ask them? “You play horde or ally?” (Well thats my first question). This talk of cross faction dislike is great for the game and I’m pretty sure both sides have there share of noobs that make this hatred possible.

When you think about it the rivalry is not unlike two opposing people supporting different football teams it just adds to the emotion in the game. Granted some people don’t feel this, but some people are like Compy (i know i am) and feel a strong dislike for the other faction to the point where they feel obligated to smash most ally face for the assumed atrocities committed, whether this be true or not.

All this is just wow succeeding at creating a life like game to mimic a war situation. I myself am a Horde player through and through. I’m 18 and in last year of high school and think a lot of the retards at school who play ally are stupid, just another example of wow being more than a game, its a good topic for friendly banter. (Or can be considered as WoW taking over your life how ever you want to see it)

Basically boils down to both teams dislike of each other and the more shit throwing that occurs the better. The more people you will attract and the more people will love it that bit more. Both factions consider the other retarded, we are all pawns of a game that brings us great enjoyment/entertainment, relish it, its lighthearted fun. Don’t take it to personally when someone attacks your faction for having noobs or just being retarded its all a bit of fun.

WOW FTW

P.s. it was an english paper, and i was stuck for subtexts to use . Also sorry for the wall of text. I won’t be offended if you don’t read it

Elmix

Okay. . . Having read through this long long chain of comments to the article all i have left to say (that hasn’t already been said enough) is: ITS A GAME!!

I have numerous char across many servers ranging from pvp-rp to pve, with both horde and alli char across the gamet. My Main, and still favorite is an 80 Human Warlock. Stupidity exists on ever server on both sides, its just a fact of gaming. Most people play this as a source of recreation, and yes that includes all those hardcore raiders out there (its still recreation to them too). If you are offended by someone calling your faction stupid, or a bunch of idiots you need to 1.) Chill Out or 2.) Quit playing the game. I’m sure you don’t pay $15/mo or whatever your subscription happens to be, to get stressed over something so minor. So again, all i can say is Its a Game! Have fun, and Enjoy what Blizzard gave us.

I always like these Ally vs horde chats. GG
Here is Lyaim’s guide to picking the best faction, and you can have it for free lol

1 which side has the most intelligent players? Answer, (Both)

2 which side has the most village idiots, and morons ? Answer, (Both) footnote: see the this post and the above for prof.

3 what side has the most kids playing? Answer, Who cares (their parents should but i guess not)

4 what faction do i play? Lets just say i just love a pally tank, tanking with a 2 hander.

lol

I hope this 4 step guide helps people choose which faction is better.

When I first read this article, the first thing that popped into my mind was “This can’t possibly be real”.

I felt it was merely an article purposely written to instigate people. From what I can tell, it has accomplished that beautifully (even if that wasnt its purpose).

I also believe Law even said it was a joke. Brilliantly done!

I may be incorrect about this, but I got the impression that Law and Compy were the same person.

lol VERY entertaining, I can’t wait for part 2!

Healing your way through life gets you good rep with other players and crap solo abilities…

Gotta have some sympathy with you mate but… why label it under being a Alliance only thing? Are you trying to say that there isn’t the same sort of dickheads ever in Horde Hmmm?

Because you are wrong and am gonna say this as well, this haughty attituide the Horde have… we are more grown up… look at our epeen etc etc ad nauseum wears a bit thin after a while.

So think before writing this “He’s Alliance, he automatically sucks”, yes quite a lot of them do suck deep BUT… I can assure you that on all the servers I play that I have met an equal amount of Horde players who suck just as bad, need continually, beg money and act like a complete tit.

And it was a Horde SP that I let die continually tonite in HoL, obviously not tanking quick enough, deciding to pull the mobs, I just hit X, waited til the idiot was stamped into the mud then carried on, he got the hint finally by the second boss.