The Noob Guide To Ditching Real Life Events For World Of Warcraft Raids
Posted on July 21st, 2009 by Thundernudle under Funny, General Tips, Humor, Instances, Raiding, World of Warcraft, WotLK(Law was ignorant and forgot to tell you that the following article was written by Thundernudle – you’ll have to ask her how to pronounce it
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How To Peel Away From A Group To Hang With Your Guild
We’ve all had it happen to us. You’re hanging out with friends at a party and find yourself checking your watch. You’re scheduling a movie date with your significant other for later in the week. You’re gauging how long beers with the coworkers will last…and factoring in traffic.
Then all eyes turn to you: “So, can you come out?”
You hem and you haw and you shuffle your feet. How do you explain to these people that you’d love to go out, but you have a raid in 2 hours?
Explaining to non-WoW players that you have a previous engagement with a computer can be a trying task because that’s exactly how most non-gamers see it: you at home – alone – with a computer screen, and it’s beyond most of them why anyone would choose to isolate themselves with a machine as opposed to stepping into real life with real people.
Non-gamers don’t see the excitement connected with raiding or PvP and refuse to try because of the stereotypes attached to it. I know that I’ve had my fair share of laughs and eye-rolls and disbelieving “Really? You’re really leaving the party to play that game?” The difference between we gamers is how we handle our tormentors.
There’s always the obvious excuses: “Sorry, I’m too tired to go out” or “Sorry, I have work in the morning.” I know some people who screen their calls when they know trouble is coming near raid time, and others who don’t mention that their “previous engagement” happens to be on Ventrilo and involves killing giant fiery elementals. Still others take the blunt “I’m going to play WoW and there’s nothing you can do about it” tactic, simply taking the ensuing thrashing with calm and grace, or perhaps just a middle finger.
Personally I tend to prefer the last option because I like the game, and I’ll be darned if other peoples’ lack of understanding or unwillingness to accept the fun that is WoW will keep me from melting face every once and awhile, or even a whole lot of whiles. Still, while putting up a fight and martyring yourself for the game may be a noble cause, in the end it only makes things more difficult and less enjoyable. So what can we do to understand the stubbornness of those nay-saying noobs and what can we do to potentially alleviate the irritations and embarrassments that tend to come with the gaming territory?
Traditionally gaming has been restricted to the nerdy edges of society; it’s been limited to the pasty-faced, anti-social nerds that limit their communication to the rest of humanity with either pretentious sneering gazes through thick glasses or quiet purchases of Cheetos and Coke at the local store before scurrying back to their mother’s house.
With images such as those floating around peoples’ heads, their confusion about our choice is understandable. On top of that, non-gamers have no idea what it’s like to play a computer game, let alone a full-fledged MMO. Even in a world where computers are basically a facet of everyday life, the concept of playing games and making friends with people you’ve never seen before is confusing and borderline scary. “Playing games with strangers is weird and creepy! This must be something only nerds could understand!”
It’s A Nerd Thing?
But no! Gaming is no longer limited to isolated nerds hiding behind stringy, unwashed hair. MMOs like World of Warcraft are very social games where teamwork is necessary and companionship and camaraderie actually enhance the playing experience. So how do you explain that to the normies? How do you explain that not only are you still being social by skipping out of the party early, but you’re taking part in another type of serious group event?
My favorite, and what I believe to be best method of explanation is by comparing WoW (raiding specifically, that being my largest area of practice) to a physical team sport- soccer, for example (a side note here: I say “physical” not so much because physical movement is necessary to play soccer, but to differentiate it from a computer game. I hate making the differentiation by saying “real life” because that’s the exact kind of discrimination we’re trying to fight against; computers make the game no less “real”, they simply mean you can’t see your companions face to face).
Say you’re a member of a soccer team. At the beginning of the season you probably agreed, with the rest of your team mates, to take part in both practices and games, probably on a weekly basis. You show up on time and prepared to every gathering and participate to your fullest extent, and if you are unable to make it to one of the appointments, you duly let your team know that they should not expect you. This is exactly what raiding on WoW is like: a group of people working together to accomplish a common goal while having fun.
Whether it’s to kick a silly checkered ball into a goal or kill a giant monster shouldn’t matter. Blowing off your team mates for another “more important” event without telling them is insulting; it leaves the other people in the lurch, waiting for you to show up because you said you were going to be there. The team is no different simply because you can’t see their faces; they’re still people waiting for you to play a game. I challenge your normie friends to find something that doesn’t have a parallel between soccer and WoW, obvious “kicking a ball vs. clicking a mouse” differences aside.
No matter how clearly you present your argument, though, don’t think this will be an easy fix. To many non-gamers, even a logical explanation such as this one will seem like a feeble rationalization for a game addiction (which may be true for some of us). However, there will always be a few people willing to listen and think about what you’ve pointed out…and maybe next time you’ll have one more person in your corner when you skip out a little early to meet your raid time…or at least one less person jeering and rolling their eyes.
















Well said.. enjoyable read
lol.. My parents always tell me to ‘get off that f*ckin game and go hang out with your friends,’ and no matter how many times i tell them, they fail to realize that I am hanging out with my friends on WoW.. both my friends from normal life and those that i know exclusively from WoW.
they are just blind when it comes to World of Warcraft, they cant understand that id rather raid with my friends than go fights the crowds at a movie theater..
stick this one to your parents.. a movie costs 15$ + if you want other things.. it lasts no more than 3hrs (and you get to wonder.. what did i just sit/step in?). pack of cigs(if you smoke) $9?..lasts about a day..
lots of other examples..
aprox 720hrs a month of play(minus update time) $15/720= $0.02/hr
and as for friends on games.. ive met people from far away places. and continued onto other games with them..
SO.. if your parents have tried to teach you the value of a dollar, or a friend… maby it really worked and there too out-dated to see the new-aged view on things.. ? i use stuff like this on my parents.. its funny that you can get people to admit to agreing with after you verbally rip apart their defence
I think that people who cannot say to their friends “I am playing WoW” obviously either play too much or don’t play the game in the way which elevates it above sitting at home and playing single player for hours on end and thus cannot argue the point. WoW is about balance. I have cut WoW down to the minimum play because I would rather spend time with my girlfriend and other mates. If you are making excuses you need to assess how much you want to play and not how much you are needed to play. WoW is a fantastic game that creates a whole new world in which to explore, People slating the game because of their own lack of control should be ignored and people too ignorant to accept a logical arguement can also go to hell… I say make your own choices according to you whether that be saying no to raids or saying no to RL events. People everywhere need to be understanding of your choices.
I tend to prefer doing real things. I find a good balance of on-line and un-plugged events important, with more leaning to the un-plugged. I raid 2 nights a week, and my banking only takes an hour a night. if I have down time, ill run around and do random dailies and such with either of my 80’s.
But life comes first for me. But then again, I like doing a lot of different things. I don’t have the Wife and kid, so I go out a lot. But I am a good bit older, and really enjoy my WoW life as much as saying WoW! in my life.
“Stan, Stan”
“What!”
“You’ve been on your computer all weekend, shouldn’t you go out and socialize with your friends?!”
“I am socializing, R’tard. I’m logged on to an MMORPG with people from all over the world and getting XP with my party using Teamspeak.”
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“I’m not a R’tard”
Southpark
“Make Love, Not Warcraft”
Episode 1008
Comedy Central
Watch it here online from your PC.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/?season=10
The only problem I have is that MMO’s give people another way to socialize without leaving their homes. This discourages physical activity, as well as benefits from sunlight and being able to actually see your friends. A healthy balance is difficult to find. Finnally, will there be a day that MMO’s gain so much popularity that we recognize our friend’s character on WoW, but not their face?
I am personally waiting for the WII version of WOW to come out. That would be tops in my book. Exercise and MMO. That is a good combo. Even a calorie meter tied into your hit power. The more calories burned the more hit power.
Balance is the key however. I love WOW for the leadership and the teamwork it teaches. And there is RL which teaches you a lot more. The one thing I have yet to see is how you can be of service to your community, your nation and the world while playing WOW.
Wow, if that was (successfully) pulled off, Nintendo would be showering in their money more than they usually do. Burning calories for every strike and spell cast, I can see it now…
“Critical hit! -4 calories!”
there are some people’s faces we dont want to see and we like it that way
this was an excellent article! I indeed have had the issue plenty of times and I might just have to use that explanation in the future.
if you would rather play a video game than be with people in the real world….. then there is somthing seriously wrong with you.. im mean seriously, its just a game.
Did you read this or just look at the first paragraph? Hanging out with people in the real world is like hanging out with people in wow except in wow you can do anything you want and in real life you can do what you want but you can get hurt/arrested/die. To me videogames are a smart way of doing what you want without concequences (idk if i spelled that right).
can i get a Amen!
Did you even READ the article you nerd?
Is EVERY “activity” you participate in with said RL friends healthy and constructive? Hardly, I would guess. WoW is as good as all the other pastimes in the world, no better, no worse. I socialization that is not face to face somehow NOT socialization? I fail to see your point here.
The point you are failing to see is that Wow is not true socializtion at all. It is just anonymous transactions with no consequence. It is also a redistribution of “social power” in that those that have no real social skills in real life are afforded the ability to be superior over those that do because they have an excess of time to do nothing more than sit infront of a game most of the time.
In Wow or any other form of online socialization one cannot reach out and smack the crap of you someone who is being an ass. Again no consquence and all anonymous.
Sure you can throw around words like community or socializtion, but Wow or any other online game is not either of those and those that believe that is are kidding themselves. Its a game, and an enjoyable one at that but it is nothing more than that. As to getting away from your real life buddies, if it truely is what you believe it is, why be shy about it? Just say “Hey, have to jet and get with my online buddies and run a dungeon.”
The theory that WoW has no consequences I think is fallacious. If a random person in game is being a complete jerk-wad, you have the ability report them to a GM and potentially get them suspended or permanently banned from the game. If you run the guild and raiding circuit, you can report a jerk to their Guild Leader, letting the guild dole out what they deem to be appropriate consequences. As with everything else in this comparison, it’s simply a difference in how things are handled. The soccer player gets a red card, the WoW-player gets a 3 hour suspension from game-play.
Perhaps you also play different aspects of the game, or the guild you’re a member of simply isn’t a social one. My personal guild is very friendly, and during raid time we have no problem joking around and genuinely enjoying each other’s company. At those times it’s more than killing a dragon and gaining its epix; it’s a social game with friends.
And your final point, “why be shy about it”, doesn’t make any sense. The article’s point is not that *we* are shy about it, but that other people give *us* nonsense about it. It’s not about overcoming our awkwardness over admitting we play the game, it’s about explaining to others how playing a computer game is more than it appears on the surface.
dude you truly are ignorant WoW is a great way to socialize…
I for one play with all my RL friends(including my girlfriend) and we constantly have to get ourselves out of doing things so we can make a raid or what not. even me and my girlfriend avoid planning going out on raid nights. and we also consider most of our guildies that we have known in game for a long time as part of our close group of friends… a few of them have even come down to meet us in real life and hang out… and about 10 of us are even planning to go down to new orleans during mardi gras to party with one of our guildies who lives there…
the point im trying to make is that WoW can be a great way to socialize and make friends even IRL
Some people just don’t get it Lawbringer. Unfortunately you’re wasting your time trying to re-explain the point you made in the article. Community is community whether it be face to face or hanging with friends in WoW. That’s what adds to its lasting power. Meet new people, that see things different helps with the replay value. Seeing it through someone else’s eyes. I might be getting too existential with it. Community is fun and necessary to live a healthy life, whether in a game talking with other people like yourself or in “real life.” Anyway, good article. I enjoy them all. Keep it up and dominate!
OMG! perhaps your best article ever … I was laughing all the way through.
“… nerds hiding behind stringy, unwashed hair …” = ME!!
WoW can be a social activity if handled correctly. Just finding ppl in LFG, running an instance and then leaving is not being social. Even if you talked to them alittle during the run. Social activity needs more connection. You need to actually get to know the person and frequently talk to them. If you don’t make friends online then its the same as going to the Mall and meeting a stranger, crossing a few sentences and then leaving. There was little gain in the conversations, yes it was being social, but there is no connection to be made between the two of you. Everyone needs friends and family and you need to speak to them frequently. I hope people can try to understand this. WoW is a great game but you cant isolate yourself from making friends
See that’s why I completely love WoW. I’m 15 and not able to drive yet, and have no friends within walking distance, so I rarely get to hang out with them outside of school. Through WoW, (specifically during the summer) I’m able to make connections with other people. I NEVER play on a character unless they’re in a guild. The game just feels too empty otherwise. It doesn’t matter what kind of guild, just a guild where I can interact and have fun with others.
Another great article as usual, great example with soccer vs. raiding. It’s sad how some people, no matter how simply explained, can never understand how WoW, or any MMO for that manner, is just another form of socialization, just in a more indirect perspective which can be easily overcame..
Cast your mind back 150 years. You live at a farm maybe 5-10 miles away from another house. Understand that we now live in the only period of history where more people reside IN cities than outside of them. In all of previous human history, this was not the case. In most periods prior to 1900 the only interaction you were likely to have with anyone more than 10 miles away was through written correspondence. In a sense this was very much like what we do today even though the processes have changed.
Traveling more than 5 miles was simply out of the question most of the time, and the best you could probably manage was a faire or a barn dance once a quarter. People “socialized” in the market square or at church or sporting events or even public hangings. The entire rest of the time the vast majority of the human race socialized with family only or through letters. this is hardly the position you are taking.
If you are saying that unless you “get out” and “socialize” in some form of “face-to-face” way that you are a stunted and ignorant individual that’s just absurd in the greatest degree imaginable and shows that you are thinking your way all the way to stupidity and have absolutely no perspective of real human history and how social interactions have developed over time. Humans have never interacted the way you are describing until after 1950, so if you stand by your position you are saying that every stage of human history before 1950 was a bunch of maladjusted nitwits. In fact – what you are describing is widely debunked among prominent sociologists because you are advocating that we all ascribe to social norms.
WoW is precisely the second level of Socialization – Secondary Socialization, where an individual learns to operate within a smaller segment of a society. It could be argued that the WoW community actually represents a much better learning cross-section of society since you’re not just hanging out with people who live in your geographical area, share your contact list and have similar predispositions and belief sets. You actually have to deal with a much larger collection of philosophical positions and world views in a large online community than you will just hanging out with your buddies from high school (who probably are a bunch of narrow minded nitwits).
We tend to gravitate toward people who are the most like us, not the most different than us. The WoW community is much more diverse on the other hand. So while your argument sounds High-falutin, it’s really just blech. Your points are founded in a very teeny sliver of historical reference and do not consider any viewpoint as valid except your own – quite possible socially maladjusted (especially from someone who ALSO plays the game lolz).
Past all that, you are missing the real point of the article – which was humor. Lighten up Sam, learn to laugh mon, it will be good for your socialization skills to associate with a broad variety of different social sets. And it is a good thing if you get to know each set well enough to laugh with them about the internal goofiness that naturally exists in ALL social settings. Thinking that ONE group (the outside of wow group) is naturally superior to another social set (the wow players) is a pretty bad thing. All social sets are valuable to the overall interaction of all members of a society.
ThePointOfWhat
lol Lawbringer – spot on!
What ThePoint, and similar Luddites, totally fail to see is that their own view is entirely personal and consequently any judgements passed are based on assumptions, limited amount of data and personal bias.
“not true socilisation” – now where did he get that idea? I wonder if this was said to the people who first wrote letters to each other? Or the people who first read mass produced books? “that’s not a real book because Guttenberg made that book!” What about the telephone? “that’s not a real person you are talking to – it’s just plastic/bakerlite/metal”. What about telegraph wire? Radio? The Pedal Wireless? TV? Mobile Phones? All these things are part of our “real” life now and the computer is another technological tool that adds more diverstiy for interaction between people. Does “global village” mean anything to him?
He has a very limited perspective on what socialising is if, to him, it means being in the physical presence of someone so he can beat the crap out of them. They have special places for people like this – and what he describes is definetly under the heading of “anti-social” – what an arse.
His so called “social power” (try “politics”) exists wherever people interact. Trying to demean people who spend hours in virtual interaction also demeans the movie buffs, the readers and anyone else who does things beyond the basics. If he doesnt understand that then let me put it another way. The three requirements for survival are food, clothing and shelter – anything beyond that is luxury. Social interaction is a luxury. How people spend that luxury is their choice.
And as for his cop out of “it’s a game” – that’s the totally selfish view of people who can’t see beyond themsevles that they are not interacting with pixels but other real live flesh and blood people. It is the same cop out used by the ninjas (people who cheat – not the the ones with swords – just in case he doesn’t know), the people who don’t turn up when they say they will or stom out becasue they can’t handle a situation. Try telling that to the people who have fact to face interaction becasue they met online. Or the couples that are married or living together because of same.
Mate, it’s 2009 – some people haven’t gotten around to updating their perspectives – not enough RAM maybe
I agree with WoW and MMOs in general as being a form of socialization. I started playing because of my brother did and it gave us an easier way to “hang out,” as he lived on the west coast and I back east. I’ve made some great friends in the game, and have even joined some of them in RL. MMOs are easy to satirize though (i.e.: Southpark or The Guild). Finding excuses to skip out on RL events does pose tricky and often comical situations. But I’d never compare raiding with playing an organized sport, and don’t think that example is appropriate. I DO understand that you’re trying to differentiate MMOs from any old video game, but I really don’t think there is much of a difference. You can play interactively online on any of the major video game platforms already (PS3, x-box, etc.). But comparing MMOs to a physical sport (vs. virtual game) is exactly the kind of thing that encourages ridicule from non-gamers. Raiding does take a lot of skill and teamwork, and sometimes we actually sweat, but in the end we ARE just sitting on our butts and tapping on a keyboard. No, imho MMOs are closer to any other SIT DOWN game we might enjoy with friends–like bridge, or 20-sided dice RPG. The “nerd stigma” of skipping RL events to play WoW will be there even after there are 20 million players.
Personally some people have missed the point of this article. The point is gaining acceptance (or something similar..) from your friends about wanting to leave them every now and then to socialize/raid/play on WoW. It IS socializing but some people on here have completely missed the point: ‘My mum tells me to get off wow and play with my freinds but zomg I want to go on WoW all day’ that is not what this is condoning. This is about BALANCE and being able to get it even enough for your tastes. You want to be able to raid and uphold a healthy physical social life and this is what this article is trying to help you do. WoW can be a way of socializing with people and I’ve talked to people all around Europe and I’m definitely a better person because of it but I always make sure I get down to the pub/nightclub or where ever else with some mates and have a good laugh as often as possible. Hell, if you guys do check your watch because of raids like I sometimes do – remember there is the possibility of going out on off nights, going out before/after raids, canceling the odd raid (possibly one a week so you have that as an extra off day) and going out then. Plan going out and cancel a raid before hand and you can still keep up excellent attendance and keep your mates in the physical world. As for explaining to your mates about WoW – don’t bother. I personally manage it so that I don’t need an excuse because I’ve worked everything out, or if I do it’s like: ‘Well thanks mate I’ll be off now. Wife and baby waiting at home’ which is true. I would be laughed off if I said ‘Bye bye guys I’m playing wow’
Once, I saw an article in a newspaper, which described WoW as the ‘crack cocaine’ of the gaming world, and even mentioned that a boy in Sweden died of an epilleptic fit after playing it for 28 straight hours, and that experts say that one hour of screen time per day is the best amount.
Dont get me wrong but these ‘experts’ dont seem to have played the game enough to realise that all you can do in an hour on WoW is perhaps complete 3 quests from scratch, or farm about 20g from mobs outside Dun Baldar, and to be honest, I play WoW for many hours a day because not many of my friends live within 10 minutes of walking time, and since I can’t drive until October 2009, I can’t reach those who live without the 10 minute radius.
And to be honest I’d rather speak with my friends on Ventrilo whilst playing WoW than speak to them when I’m playing WoW on the computer, while they’re sat eagerly around me ready to jump on when I invite one of them to show me their characters.
My parents are also adamant about WoW and they don’t know much about it, and start badgering me to come off at 9:30 when I’m still raiding, and I tell them “Soon” or “In a minute” and continue playing for another hour before coming off. They tell me that I need my sleep. Of course I do, and that’s why I dont get up until 10 in the morning.
Viewpoints that non-gamers have about WoW are normally formed on the basis that they dont understand the mechanics of the game or have been influenced by articles in newspapers where the person writing the article hasn’t actually played the game, or hasn’t played extensively or in-depth, leading to reviews based on the experience of the game no further than the world of the level 8 (example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI7BtCRUf38)
If anyone would like to write a review, I’d suggest that they look at the game and experience end game, start game and mid-game before making any assumptions about it which could lead to sterotypes which could lead to misinformed opinions about it.
And you, sir, get more badges from Law because you are obviously ALSO a Tolkien fan. But be careful, reading too much of that “fantasy literature” will rot your brain, you should get out and talk to your garden more.
Ha! That happened long ago
. . . and the symptoms are character names like Sudrun (Jack Vance), Sigarni (David Gemmel), Thuvia (Edgar Rice Burroughs), etc
Revisiting this thread shows that interaction (socialisation) is very much alive! Isn’t that what we are doing here too? Underpinning the wide range of attitudes shown are the core elements of – be happy, have fun and do what ever you want without hurting others (including youself).
Challenging the “norms” are the new waves and those threatened are the ones resistent to change – which is one of the immutable laws of nature – “the only security is insecurity” (Alan Watts)
sorry and don’t take this the wrong way but… Real life>WoW if your ditching your friends to raid, you have a serious problem goes beyond liking a game. I tell my guild outright even as a healer… ” RL before WoW if don’t like it boot me” because if a friend comes over, or i wanna go see a movie with my friends or a party… that comes FIRST. If your ditching your real life duties for WoW then need to see a shrink seriously =P
@ Lokai
I like how you made this claim with no warrants to back this up, after many people have made the claim, brought warrants with it, AND had evidence to support it. GJ.
im lucky in that i have two large groups of friends. one being my old high school chums, and the other being my wow buddies. most weekends i play wow at my local lan centre with my wow buddies, but i still find time to hav a few drinks with my high school mates. now luckily some of my high school mates play wow and iv recently discovered some of my wow buddies went to the same school as me, so each understands when im with the other group. my advice is, if u can, play “face to face” with your wow mates. you can laugh and muck around a lot more and communicate through difficult situations alot easier. plus after the raid you can”hit the town” if thats your thing. im not saying its bad not to, but i cincerely enjoy myself alot more when theyre there.. plus when they afk u can fly them to the top of storm peaks, dismount them and log them off
we all live in our own little world what does it matter if its virtual or not?
There are certainly alot worse things youth can be doing than playing a game. I find to keep my passion for the game from interfearing from my life I select at least 2 days a week where I actually ban myself from the computer all together. Now on the raiding nights i’m a junkie and don’t answer my phone.
you know what? i moved several states away from my friends and family. i started playing wow when i learned several of my friends did. so initially i started playing to hang out with my rl friends, and in doing so i have met some amazing people, been a part of some really great guilds, and made new friends across the world. how on earth could that possibly be wrong?