Roles In Raids
Posted on April 22nd, 2009 by Compy under General Tips, Instances, Raiding, World of Warcraft, WotLK
The Real Raid Roles
Brand new 80s in quest reward blues are just as worthless as a level 1 Orc hunter named LoknLodLol collecting Scorpid Worker Tails in the Valley of Trials. Nobody knows you, nobody likes you.
Sure, you can do 5-mans. You could spend the rest of your WoW life killing Gul’darah over and over, but the hard truth is that if you want to ever see the real content you will have to raid.
Blizzard’s site makes a great (cough) effort to introduce new players to the playable classes in the game, but there’s nothing on there about how to raid. I guess they figure you’ll just have to figure all that out for your dang self.
The class players think they are playing from levels 1-80 is not the class they actually will play when they start raiding. Once you hit the level cap, the wonderful diversity of the ten different classes disappears – and is replaced with “Tank, Heals, and DPS.”
Yes, all that leveling your way through Azeroth and Outland, running heroics, farming for mats for crafted epics, getting the right jewels, glyphs, enchants, researching talents and optimum ability rotations, will finally get you to the point where you can confidently say: “/r I can DPS.” Three to six months of effort condensed into 7 letters –
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Then, when you feel like you can use those seven letters, you get another whisper: “Whats your bonus spell dmg?” (Remember, nobody knows you!) When you reply 1650, you will be called a noob and go on someone’s ignore list. But don’t worry! Pester people long enough and eventually you will find a raid so desperate for people they will invite you – and subsequently blame you for everything that goes wrong. Then you, my friend, can officially call yourself a raider.
This guide is for those of you who find, or have found yourself in this situation, and will help you deal with the political aspects of raiding. Within the realms of “Tank, Heals, and DPS,” there is a completely separate level of classes. Raid Leader, Scapegoat, Latecomer, and Lootard, just to name a few. Knowing the ins and outs of these classes and how to deal with them is necessary if you ever want to set foot in Ulduar, or eventually, fight the Lich King himself.
Part 1 – The Raid Leader
We will begin with the guy who probably is the one who has you on ignore; the Raid Leader. Nine times out of ten the Raid Leader is the Main Tank (well maybe 7, but MT Raid Leaders can make 1 run feel like 2). He’s cleared 25 Naxx with 12 people at least a hundred times this week, and certainly doesn’t NEED your help, especially with your laughable spellpower. Here’s a little overview of the Raid Leader:

This is where all your research on boss fights will help. All you have to do to not be labeled a noob and kicked out by the Raid Leader is not do anything overly stupid. Fortunately for you, you will be surrounded by people doing stupid things, so as long as your stupid is not as bad as someone else’s stupid, you’ll avoid the Raid Leader’s wrath.
Stupid happens because no one takes the time to know what they should actually be trying to do. This is supposed to be the raid leaders’ job, but he’s done the fight so many times he’s tired of telling the 4,000th nub how to do it.
So, when asked to explain the boss encounter the Raid Leader will either
1) ignore the question or
2) provide an absolutely terrible explanation.
Unless you are raiding with experienced people in a raiding guild, SOMEONE will inevitably do something wrong (stupid). The Raid Leader will then pick a random player (usually one not in vent and therefore unable to defend himself) and blame the wipe on them.
To ensure that this player is not you, immediately join in the ridicule and explain the fight yourself during rezzing/corpseruns. Not only will your explanation be far better than the Raid Leader’s (even if it is stupid), the next time he picks a random player to blame the wipe on, it won’t be you.
Even though he’s a jerk, the raid leader took the initiative to tear people away from their other important duties, like:
- collecting reward-less achievements
- getting haircuts at the barbershop
- standing in front of the Dalaran bank
- the lofty debates of trade chat (philosophy, politics, and doodie jokes)
So, even if you can’t find a way to avoid his verbal abuse, don’t let it get you down. Just make sure to verbally abuse someone else more. Trust me, with all the ’stupid’ flying around in raids, finding that person won’t be too hard.
That person is the Scapegoat, who will be the subject of Part II. Be sure to check back so you can learn a little more about how to Dominate, not get Dominated or perhaps just remind yourself why you already do.
















LOL – Can I join your raid please? I have nice legs……..
Soo funny Compy.
Chmar – pics first before raid invites
Lol compy this actually happens in our raids, well done. I’m surrounded by stupid it’s obviously not my fault i know wtf to do, kthx!
First – good article
I think this is the first article I read from Compy, and I liked it. You’ve got your own sarcastic style. We’re going to get along just fine as writer and reader.
i resent your description of my position
however, as far as pugs go, right on
Funny first article. I liked it. And yes, I’m usually the scapegoat. Can’t wait to hear about myself.
I like your style. =]
I have yet to be in a pug that didn’t have the word “stupid” said at least 50 times, especially after the 4th wipe.
This is the best guide since sliced bread. Everyone talks about the end game here but this is the first sign that the top people care about the bottom people. it took me a LONG time to be able to get over this stage. Id like to say that if uve got complete heroic gear and were talking, have achieved the “Superior” achievement then try and get urself in one of the million and one 25man naxx runs. Your guild won’t care because ur Guild won’t be worth shit if ur still in that kinda gear so just cradck on and do it. everyone starts off with the Spider and military quarter so learn those the best. if uve proved urself to be the tops when it comes to the first part of the raid, when the noobs will be kicked and the pros brought in then u will be an accepted member. U can then take tiem out to read the next part. 25 mans also haev the bonus of u being able to hide amongst all the other people, this obv doesnt work as a healer or tank but with dps u can usually bumble ur way along however don’t think that it won’t be noticed if ur lagging way behind.
wow nice and funny article…when do we get to see the rest of it?
Good Comment! sounds like my guild’s raid leader, but i have a question that needs general answering, he is kinda a prick because he wont let me walk into naxx because i dont come up on his 3k min DPS list, and he has been getting a little too aggressive cause our guild is suppose to help those who just reached 80 get into naxx by running their uber mains through Naxx the second they ding, but how do i tell him nicely that he is being a prick so i can avoid the wrath of the uber smitting raid leader? :O
If your raid leader’s that much of a douchebag… new raid group imo. :O
agree – we just did that didnt we?
Thanks for the comments, guys.
@ Mike..3k min DPS for 25 Naxx is a little high. Unfortunately, if he’s determined to be that much of a prick then he’s probably not going to change. I can’t give you a magic word or phrase that would change his mind…I don’t know the guy
What you could do is take charge yourself. Try organizing your own raid. There are plenty of people in the same position you are. People are too attached to their theorycrafting numbers. The fact is you don’t NEED 20 DPS dishing out 3k for 25 Naxx, it just makes the run smoother. Another option is to lie. Tell them you do 3k. When they check the charts after the first boss fight and see you’re only doing 2k, then they will have to choose to kick you or go to the trouble of replacing you. If things are going well, they will keep you. If your 2k is the lowest on the charts, get ready to be the Scapegoat.
EDIT: http://www.wow-heroes.com/
Sorry!
I liked the article and the humor in it. I fortunately have not had this problem. Deepneau, nice comments and well laid out. I agreen 100%. My guild is very good at bringing new members through nax, or helping with raids. It is so true about talking with fellow guildies and helping people out where you can. I have 2 80s and a 70 …. I raid mostly with my shaman as I am trying for t7 dual spec gear but all our raiding members have a chance at that, not just the top raiders. My guild realizes that everyone is new at some point and needs help along the way which is great. We do try to educate new members and those that fit in the best do not start off with ‘can you run me through …..’
And here’s me thinking nobody would notice I was a shiny new 80 in quest reward blues. Great article. Loved it.
hahahaha, I liked that
@deepneau Thanks for reading Deep.
My advice to transfer blame to someone else is not meant to be serious. It’s just meant to make people new to raiding or who have only raided a few times have a chuckle. Face it, every one of us has been a new raider before. If we level up alts, we get to experience it again. Except of course, players who have the time to be part of those hardcore, 7-nights-a-week, show-up-or-you’re-kicked-out raiding guilds.
The lengthy process you explained is exactly what I mention in the article:
The problem is that after doing all that, and the things you mentioned, people still get judged by whatever number the Raid Leader/ Guildmaster decide.
So, this is not meant as serious advice, just to poke fun and laugh at a common experience we’ve all had.
That article describes my raid leader to a T…except he’s not as nice as your description.
Just one suggestion: “your” does not substitute for “you’re”! What, are you stupid??? (Sorry, just getting in practice to blame someone else so I don’t become the scapegoat.
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^ Oooo can’t believe I let something like that slip. I guess I should proofread my comments too! Thanks for the catch Vyle. Keep up the good work, YOU’RE a natural!!!
Roflmao.
That is all.
fantastic article. full of good humour and i know for a fact that a few of us have been in both the overbearing raid leader (without knowing usually) and the scapegoat.
as for the desired add-ons. i would suggest that most people not get damage meters. a lot of the time imo it can actually harm u rather than help you as you are to focused on how “uber” you are.
being number one on the dps table doesn’t mean a dam thing if the raid keeps wiping. being top healer doesnt mean a thing either if your always OOM. so i would say that the main addons you would want/need are:
Deadly Boss Mods.. EVERY raider NEEDS this one.. its an absolute MUST HAVE!!
OMEN THREAT METER.. this again is a must because you may be doing 3 million dps but at the end of the day if u cant see your threat then there is a chance that you may strip aggro off the tank and that usually equals yourr DPS dropping to zero..
any other mods are purely up to the player but in my advice i would look around.. go to curse.com or get wowmatrix. use the search facility to get an idea of the things that u desire. install them.. use them.. if you dontt like them.. remove them and try something different. it is in my honest opinion the best way to find add-ons that you like.
when it comes to raiding i find that being a little reserved and judging the crowd and “blending in” until you can figure out what kind of raiders iwth is usually the best way to go.. then when things start going well start having a laugh and a joke with people. it lightens the mood and so long as your not offencive (i find telling a little story wether its true or not about “something this reminds me of” usually gets me in the good books with the raid) after that.. have fun on the trash.. focus on the bosses and enjoy.. if your slightly below par then hopefully the humour will be enough to keep you in the raid.
once inside a raid.. dont be afraid to ask questions. if you have a player on the same class as you.. ask him/her about thier spec. ask about rotation.. dmg.. dps.. ANYTHING… point ouut flaws in your toon.. ask if they suffer the prob to or if they can solve your issue.. anything that makes u liked is a good thing. because that way on the 5th wipe on patch its not looking good for the guy standing at the back that is only just better than you but is totally silent.
well thats my 2 cents.. sorry for dragging it out.. i just got type happy
once again GREAT article.. i look forward to chuckling because of your articles again
humour is a lost art.. and im glad that ur artistry skills are still around
You forgot the PUG Raid Leader who just “disappears” on the Raid on the first wipe…also a big one, the complainer that won’t disappear, but enjoys yelling LEEEROY and attacking things he shouldn’t. Or the brb guy…who inspires others to just look around listlessly or dump the raid. My guild has enough people to do a decent 10 man raid, but I find anything bigger ends up in frustration due to our lack of numbers (ie, we PUG though we hate it…). The real problem is elitism; we try hard to help folks gear up, and we avoid real harsh rules. My last guild was just sour when it came to “lesser” toons, I guess its how they became the number 2 raid guild on our server…whoopie yay for them. Its a game, wiping is a learning experience, and no one does it on purpose (well, some I suspect do…see leeroy above) and if you talk sensibly about mistakes, new approaches and strategies, people tend to stay longer and maybe even muscle through what was initially impossible. A transforming experience for a small guild, imo.
And to you scapegoats out there, my advice is to just blame it on LAG. Lag will do it every time, yesiree…
Great piece, Compy! Most entertaining I’ve read in a while(look out, Law). I hope Gavin rewards you with the big bucks you deserve for it!
I like how you put this, however your idea of having a ’scapegoat’ sounds cruel. However, (even thinking outside of your conditional scenario) seems nessicary. Not only would it get the blame off you, but you, being smarter than your average raid leader (that aint hard), usually know the true person behind the reason the wipe happened (or at least one of them). I think this post in itself would be GREAT info to any raider. Cant wait to further congradulate you in your next post in what looks to be a small series your starting. Good job, and ask for a raise. Lol
I am infrequently the RL for 10 man Naxx. Even with that very limited experience – and from observations of other raids – I think it would only be fair to give a “Grief of the RL” post. What does a RL do with a DPSer who is clearly geared for 2K DPS but is putting out like 1.2K DPS. What about the “BRB” guy, the “sneaky AFKer”, the 10 yr old who argues strategy on their first run, the Off Tank who just can’t, can’t, can’t bear to not be hitting the boss (I’m thinking Anub where the OT needs to pick up the scarabs coming off of the corpse…), the loot grief (YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN!), the arm chair quarterbacks, the “been here 500 times and I’m bored” guy sitting next to “OMG, this is my first time! Look at all the pretty scenery!” and you have to keep them both focused/motivated, the 30 questions/whispers a second in the middle of battle, the…..
I would argue that there is a reason RL become the way they are….
I loved the article, So True
You couldnt make me take the RL job for your life.
You can have the GM position too.
Our GM is the Main RL and I’m glad he has the time to make it all happen, I sure don’t