Bur why not do the “Roll on what you came to raid as” rule.
eg. you came as a healer, you and other people healing for that raid will roll on healing gear, if none of the healers want it, then people with healing as their second spec (the one they aren’t using for this raid) can roll next… if still nobody wants it, then let anyone that might wanna start a heal ser but has something like 2 tank specs, 2 dps specs. etc. have a roll..

And if it manages to go through those stages, then DE and add shard to Gbank.

The reasons for a player to raid an instance where they aren’t getting new gear are generally pretty slim, and they only decrease with each progressive raid. Count all the people you know who don’t run heroics once they have all the emblem gear/drops they need, and multiply that by the increase in time and potential for frustration and wipes in a raid. You don’t WANT people doing that, and rewarding them for participation is basically the only way to avoid it.

Secondly, by capping the amount of loot a player can get in an instance (whether it be the soft cap of SK or the hard cap of “1 piece and you’re done”) you increase everyone else’s chance to get something they want. The fact is that if you want an upgrade that happens to come clumped near another, somebody else probably needs it too, or else you would probably get the second one anyway. Why is it more fair to allow a random possibility of getting two upgrades in a row than to allow two people to gear up similarly? (BTW, relating to the first point above, if you can only get two upgrades in naxx and both drop from KT, then you shouldn’t exactly be expecting to get ANY upgrades going into the run; you should be thrilled that you got ANYTHING.)

In short, the problem with greed/need is not that it isn’t fair. It’s that it has a tendency to hurt a guild. The combination of randomness creating a wide split in the rate that different people gear up, and of it being the people who gear up fast being the same people who are hurting the less-geared players’ chances of gearing up more quickly, makes it hard to run a guild following that system. It creates bad feeling between members and frustration among everyone, both the lucky and the unlucky.

Anyway, offtopic from that, I would really like to see a system that grants players gear based on their likelihood to actually see upgrades in an instance. Hunters, for example, see far fewer relevant pieces of gear in Naxx than, say, paladins, and a semi-geared hunter may only have the chance to get one upgrade in the whole instance. Considering that hunters have to work a lot harder for a lot less gear should pretty much totally outweigh the fact that pallies have to gear up for twice as many specs, and I will not be happy if dual-spec means that all the druids and shamans out there get to increase their chances even further of stealing the little pure dps gear that actually drops compared to the stuff that’s available to them already.

For some reason people think it’s “unfair”. In actual fact, it’s unfair for people to put hard caps to the maximum loot you can win. For example, Naxx 25 should give roughly 2 loot drops per person on average. If you limit the most that someone can win for their “main spec” to 2, without giving them at least 2, then you’re making sure that the pure dps classes always get shafted, being able to only win 0, 1 or 2 items, whereas hybrid classes could win umpteen more for their “off spec”.

DKP is crap, as even a PUG or newb should have equal chance at getting loot. It’s their time too, and they’re getting saved just as much. If you didn’t need them then you’d have brought a guildie, so they don’t owe you any favours. SK is crap, since it spaces the loot acquisition ridiculously, not taking into account that the loot you NEED could be clumped. For example, the only 2 items you might need from the entire run could be on KT. So having passed on all previous loot opportunities (including minor upgrades) in the run while others get loot you should only end up with the one and not get a chance at the other?

When you buy a lottery ticket, what you’re buying is a CHANCE to win. In a raid, /roll is your ticket. If you lose all the loot then live with it. If you win it all then yay for you. If someone else walks away with what you wanted because their /roll was better, then so be it. The only stipulation should be, of course, that they will use it.

Scrap crappy guild loot systems.

(1) for Main Spec/Main Toon
(2) For Second Spec or any Alt
(3) Vender/DE/RP

So when gear drops, anyone who wants it rolls – and the Loot Master knows what the main spec/main toon is for each player, so he can easily sort out between who is rolling #1 and who is rolling #2. In a 25 man group, we need to specify “Main roll only” for the first priority, to keep the roll spam down. In practice, we say “roll if you want it” and if no one rolls, we say “roll for vendor”. If an enchanter is there, we have them DE it and the winner gets the DE results. This has worked very well so far. People get the idea that preferential treatment really only goes to Main Toon/Spec and then everyone else is “equal”.