WoW Gold At The Auction House
Posted on April 19th, 2009 by Lawbringer under Efficiency Tips, General Tips, Gold Building, World of Warcraft, WotLK
The Secret Philosophies Of The Serious WoW Investor
Our entire gold-making system is predicated on the concept of investing. I suppose you could say it’s somewhat related to retail. But even though there are concepts of inventory management and price points and all of those retailing concepts, without a true vehicle for marketing (outside of trade chat) it feels more like investing to me.
Now, there are a number of you that work the AH like a day trader. Buying things on the margin to make a quick turn by the end of a day or two. But that’s not really the way you should approach things either. Making leveraged plays will often get your fanny in a crack if you don’t guess right.
And that’s really the point, you need a system that eliminates the need to guess by never, ever making a bad play. Be smart in your speculation, and even your speculative purchases are, in effect, a covered call. Yes, you are going to lose sometimes. But what you can do is limit your losses to the barest minimum.
Yes, it logically follows that if you play it safer you might also reduce your profit potential. That’s just fine, I can live with that IF I do one more thing. It’s this one thing that makes all the difference in the world when it comes to spending less and less time making more and more gold at the auction house.
Before we get to the secret to maximizing income, let’s talk a bit about limiting risk in every situation. The way you do this is something we might should have covered in a little more detail sooner, but sometimes you can’t learn unless you get smacked pretty hard. I certainly hope no one is losing their shirt on the S6 play, but here is why I am assured a tidy profit.
As we bought up those Abyss Crystals and other mats to drain the market we did so with an understanding of supply and demand economics. So even though we were sucking stacks and stacks of them off the AH, we never spent more than the current market value for any of them. In other words the going rate for Abyss Crystals was 125 gold, and even though we bought more than 250 of them, we never spent more than 125g for a single one.
But since we were sucking up more than 75% of the market, the price rose naturally for three weeks. By the time we stopped buying people out, the natural price was already closer to 180g. We created scarcity, and even on a rabid undercutting server the price rose dramatically.
Now, when the patch hit we went right to the AH and posted the crystals we bought for 125 and down for 250 bid, 300 buyout. And we haven’t sold a single one yet. Worried yet? I’m not worried a stitch, and that’s because I know how the market is going to move in the next 3 weeks. I also am guaranteed at least a 25% profit in the process.
Right now no one is buying because they just blew 1000g on dual specs. They are busy running Ulduar and getting waxed by Emalon in VoA. They are just busy. Already people are starting to panic at the AH. A good number of other folks apparently stockpiled Abyss Crystals right along with us. But they still make up a fairly small portion of the market. Our guild owns maybe 500 crystals, everyone who is now cutting prices to sell NOW have maybe 20. Makes me laugh.
I still won’t buy them out yet. Let them blow away their profits, I’m standing pat. Because what will happen is that once people get over blowing 1k gold and get into running the new dailies and start collecting some of that T8 gear, the demand for enchants will be higher than ever before. Even without S6, I was going to make a killing.
So I might not sell a thing before next Wednesday. And I’ll still be grinning. One of two things is going to happen. One, I will sell a ton of stuff next weekend because I know the itch will become a burn before long. People want enchants now, but won’t pay my price – yet. But buyers are only slightly more patient than sellers. The need to have will bury the want to wait.
The second thing that can happen is that nothing ever comes of the patch at all. No big push is no big deal either. Prices will fall slightly below past values in the next two weeks as all the ah scabs cut their losses or blow out stuff they farmed. I’ll just hold every mat I’ve got until the rush is over and then trickle it back on at 120% of past prices. I’ll sell a few here and a few there, and in a few weeks I still will have made more than 15,000 gold profit.
But I couldn’t be confident about that if I had overspent on the crystals. This is not about a quick turn. I don’t care if I make 25% today or 25% in two months. Profit is profit since I don’t have interest to pay. I’m not in the real world where inflation is eating at me, it’s just flat rate stuff with almost zero variables except what the market is like right now. So I wait out markets until the now is good.
So by never paying more than the current price we covered ourselves from taking a loss. I can drop my inflated price almost in half and still make a profit – no listing fees on enchanting mats right? This is how I almost never lose a dime playing the AH, and I can do it all day every day and I don’t have to wait for a huge patch or an arena season to do it.
So the real key, the secret to applying this type of investing mindset which tells me to buy something when the price is right and hold it until the price is better, is volume. Volume rules my WoW mindset. Since my numbers are never wrong, I want as many things as I can possibly get my hands on because I make my money safe and steady with zero guesswork or gambling involved.
I deal in hundreds, sometimes thousands of auctions, and I don’t micro-manage a single one. People ask me all the time “what do you think about buying item [XYZ]” I just shrug. I don’t care what it is. If I can buy it below market price and resell it at or above market price in four turns or less, I’ll sell it. If I can’t it goes on the ignore list – probably forever.
The whole thing gets so automatic that you can just spam click and not even look at what you are doing. It actually hurt my face a little bit to buy out specific things and hold all my DE mats from Northrend items for a month. It actually made me work at it, a little bit. The rest of the time it’s just 3k profit a week with my eyes closed.
Now, even though I’ve given you the secret, there is a formula for all of this that is much more complicated to explain. We couldn’t even do it effectively in this format. It would cause more confusion than mastery and Domination. But we did want to tell you how to think about any AH investing you do now and in the future.
You cover yourself by buying smart, you cover yourself by buying and selling in huge volumes, and you cover yourself by never panicking and giving away your profits. We teach people the entire process we use for every single aspect of this in the Auction House Mastery Guide, of course, but we thought we would settle all of you down before any little bit of panic set in.
No one ever made a fortune in a day – and no, the lottery doesn’t count. There isn’t a lottery in WoW anyway, so there’s no prospect of instant riches. And any really good financial adviser will tell you that investing well means buying things you trust and holding them. Not this day trading quick buck junk.
So hang in there with those S6 enchanting mats. I can almost guarantee you that next week the floodgates will begn to break and people will start to spend gold on that stuff. We invested more than 30,000 gold in the month before the patch. I fully expect a return of at least 10,000-25,000 within the next 12 days. But I can live with 7k in the next three weeks, and that much is more than guaranteed because we invested smart, did a LOT of it, and we know our AH system always Dominates.















Hi there Lawbringer.
First of all, I seriously respect for all the effort your doing in the past, giving the people tips, knowledge for free, and standing open for sharing oppinions after.
You have been doing this for so long now and always been enthousiastic as ever.
Secondly, I have a question; what happend to the Podcasting? I miss the voices having a debat about how to dominate the server, and sharing knowledge to the listeners. I truely do. I used to listen while I was eating my breakfast, it was cozy! ^^
Now lets go on about this plan of yours.
In my oppinion its a very expensive way, not sure if I could call it risky even.
Yes people do need those Abyss crystals, but… most of the people who “manage” to clear Ulduar, I would suppose they have found some buddies, a proper guild or raid force already? Who moslty provide those shards for free? Orrr if they don’t, they still have the “Buddies” to jump into ‘5man heroics’ and farm for some shards, dragging a enchanter with them?
Yes I know, 70% of the WoW community are lazy, and if they want something they want it _now!_. so at the other side, A big chance it will work out indeed.
Hopefully it will all work out well for you and those who are going to give it a try. As for me, I sadly don’t have the amount to stockpile them up.
But let us know how it worked!
Kind regards,
Danny
Law, give me gold lol. This is your main tank speaking I’m broke as a joke.
Thank you for this post. I a very similar plan with infinite dust on my server. In the months since 3.0 I had been owning my server on infinite dust often buying out all auctions on the market and posting them right away for more, always buying out those below me. Soon that became too much to always be on top but, but I had set the price for my server for dust. When 3.1 was announced I stopped selling dust, only buying it when I felt someone had stacks up for less than market price. Consequently, I now have boatloads of dust, low on cash and the market hasn’t really come down that much. This article gave me the confidence to only sell a few near market price and not “give in” and sell at where I bought them from.
keep them coming.
Maybe its just my server..and they are all Dominate fans, but our auction got flooded with abyssal crystals the day after patch and I have seen prices drop to about 70g each this week… So, a good time to stock up…or is this just a bad market period?
I have to say that the game is more than making money. The philosophy you promote is slowly killing the game and you’ll end up alone on some server with your gold. I see that screen shot of abyss crystals for 345 buyout ans I get sick.
If its all about the money, try monopoly. I await the flames from the greedmongers.
p.s. you guys chinese gold farmers? ni hao
lol.. if Lawbringer is a chinese gold farmer, then i’m the president.
I never said it was all about making money. And you are more than welcome to do dailies for then next year to earn your wooly mammoth mount if you like. Makes no difference to me if you choose to earn gold slowly or not at all. I, and most of our readership would rather do it sooner than later with as little time sinkage as humanly possible.
If we are slowly killing the game why does the WoW community grow by tens of thousands every month? Where is the contraction? Who is leaving? What did I kill? Can you even state this in a way that makes sense?
So be sick, take an aspirin and play PS2 or XBOX or something.
And to be honest I give a lot of gold away and loan a lot of gold out. The rest gets spent working on these posts for DYS. I cannot recommend to others what I cannot accurately say works. So for every 1 of these post about successful market plays, I may have done 10 more on my own in testing. Some win, some lose, my gold grows. I discard things that don’t work and stick with what does work, but it’s all quite expensive. I spend gold on you and 30,000 other players so that you can tell me what a jerk I am for my effort.
Would it still make you sick if you knew that the market value for Abyss Crystals naturally on our server was almost 200g in the first place? That’s twice the global price because of scarcity. Low horde population, higher prices. Anyway, try Pepto, it works wonders I hear.
WOW has many different things for different types of people. Maybe you don’t want money. I really could care less as long as I can afford mounts and other basics. Obviously some do. I guess it is a bit bothersome thinking that there are pseudo-monopolies leveraged against large guilds, but honestly, I think it keeps things from getting too expensive…when he dumps those abyssal crystals he will seriously lower their current value, while still appreciating a profit; others will (within the alotted auction time) undercut him on one-offs, keeping the price below his stock price. BTW, those who want to know if Abyssal Crystals are good buys or not are missing the point, I think. It could be shovels, or fish, it doesn’t matter, if you follow his tack. Me? Its a little too much like work…and being zen about enjoying the game keeps me from making huge mistakes with the little change I do get. Unless you love formulas and the excitement of finance, perhaps you might do better using auctioneer for vendor buyouts or just valuing your loot when you sell it…its still good for that crud, too.
webly.
1. Its people who actualy buy, and they, like Lawbringer, provide the supply
2. The philosophy of yours doesn’t make sense and lacks on based facts.
3. You are discriminating for stating “chineses” are farmers.
4. “I await the flames from the greedmongers” Stop judging people you don’t know
Anyhow, try again and this time a bit more gentle and subtle way please.
Else just don’t post no more.
I am afraid that we are seeing a real market contraction based on the Ulduar money sink. The elite buyers are wiping, alot. 200-500 gold a night on repairs X 25 is 5000+ gold per guild learning the Ulduar ropes. That has a serious impact on commodity values, not to mention that the upgrades are not flowing out of Ulduar as fast as Naxx. All this adds up to a lack of gold in the coffers of your customers and lower demand.
Well seen Dave. There is an odd confluence of events here that are affecting the market move. But one thing is for sure, the system cannot fail completely, and it’s just a matter of timing before the price is my price.
lol it always makes me laugh when I see comments from people saying things like “it makes me sick”, When there talking about a game. This is a game dude, and making money is part of it.
webly…you need to enjoy your game and let us enjoy ours. I have no idea why your even reading dominate your server if you feel this way.
Economics and WoW; my two true loves, brought together brilliantly!
Even the simple concept of arbitrage can be applied to WoW, that truely is a domination!
People should love the ability to see the auction house not only as a place to pick up those items you can’t be bothered to farm; but as a massive ATM just waiting for you to make a massive withdrawl
One problem in life holds true for WoW though: you have to have money to make money!
I recon that that is one serious risk. On my server I would expect that rise to drop faster than a stone. people are used to taking advan tage of good prices. Something thast 60g higher will atract the lower end gold farmers and will result in major undercutting until prices drop to under their levels.
I just have one question that I really want answered. What do you do with all that money?
He gives it to Aemaeth to get him to shut up about being broke all the time
Abyss Crystals on my server went from 70g ea, to a whopping 90…and now they are back at 70….and some never got above 70….This strategy will not, and did not work on all servers…
Did you not read the post? Every server IS different, and so is every opportunity. If you don’t have enough gold or guts to control the market for Abyss Crystals then yes, it will NOT work for you on your server. But with that attitude, I will go even further. Give up, you’re never going to get it to work on any item on your server ever. Buy gold.
Hey lawbringer – i bought the AH guide ages ago, very impressed, but how do i quickly sor tout what was bought for resale, and what was bought for DE? i know u said about the mule – but I still need to sort them once their out of my mail box
Any way to do this without mousing over to look at the reason?
If you use filtered searches on Auctioneer, at the bottom of item tooltip it should give the “reason” you bought it. Eg, vendor resale search tags it with vendor resale tags, d/e stuff comes up as d/e etc. I also use enchantrix and a suite of other addons, so I am not certain this is an auctioneer thing, but I think it is. I don’t have much help for you if you don’t use filtered searches. Good luck Shal.
Law – you get so defensive. It just plain did not work on some servers. I misses the part where you said buy up everything with the 50k gold you have on hand. Controlling the market works for EVERYTHING, not just Abyss Crystals. But your original advise for this patch was not control the market, your original advise was to buy certain items and watch the prices rise during the week after the patch. On my server, they did not, Abyss Crystals went down from a low of 80 before the patch and often as high as a 100, to 65 currently and there are hundreds out there at that price. Dream Shards went down from an average of 16.5 and low of 14 to under 11.
I do see now as a good time to buy though as it will more than likely get back to pre 3.1 prices and I will make money, but your prediction of huge returns on skyrocketing prices did not happen on my server.
hmm I have to thank you guys for the Ah guide its helped me shop smarter and even though im not big on using the ah its still helped me make money by not spending as much.
Though after 3.1 my addons all failed so I’ve fallen off the map for ah data.
But other than that great job!
Most of my mods are up and going again now. I use WOW matrix to keep them updated. My auctioner appears to be working now.
Lawbringer,
I just read the comments on your article, “WoW Gold at the Auction House”, those people shouldn’t even deserve to receive your great tips and strategies if they’re going to blame you for their loss, they should very well know the risk they’re taking when they blow off their earnings. They’re just a bunch of greedy kids. You should pay no heed to them, please continue to supply us with great tips!
I took up your tip of stocking up on enchanting mats for 3.1 patch. I spent about 1300g out of my 1500g I had on purchasing greens/questing/finding low priced mats to stock-up. I had around 500-600 infinite dust, 121 greater cosmic essence, 5 abyss crystals, and 3 arctic furs. When 3.1 came out, the prices dropped about 30%, I panicked, but I held tight and hoped for the prices to go back up, now 1 week later, they are at 114% of the original price, and still going up, I still hadn’t sold a single mat yet.
As far as I can tell, your AH strategy is very effective so far.
Oh and what happened to Gavin? I noticed that he hadn’t posted for awhile.
Please keep us updated
Surgee
Where do these people come from who just stop to flame? I love the tips and you a$$hats who don’t have anything good to say — don’t say anything at all. The rest of us subscribe and read to learn something from someone who is an expert at it.
Lawbringer,
I respect your efforts to share interesting ideas with the community.
There is one thing I do not agree with your point of view on wow economy – there IS inflation. It had a huge jump with TBC and WOTLK (remember what 100g was b4 TBC) and what is it now. All these quests which give you 5-10g + xp during leveling! Compare with 1-5g in outland and 30s in classic…
hi law
another nice article
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reporting in 1 week after patch my ah char has made 50kg, i spent 10kg on the glyph book i have 8 new recipes (still avoiding life tap), this is on my server which seams to be half price of everyone else server. Glyph of kill shot went from 250g selling, to 19.99 the next day
You talk about the auctioneer mods, they are good but i dont use any. You could see from the prices on glyph that people where using and losing there profits, a glyph selling for 35g patch day people where still listing it at 60s as i had been selling for the past few months, actually knowing what you are selling than reliing on a mod works loads better for me.
Bought about 35 crystols….345 buyout sold a few then people started to post a crap load at 100g buyout , bought more…I think their endless so it seems but don’t wanna lose all my savings…on a low pop server (I know you can’t tell my market) but is there a rule of thumb like how long to hold on to items when everone seems to cutthroat ..they dont even post near my posting.. I’m hoping they’ll run out eventually:)
i have stocked up some gold and am putting this into motion on my server. i am on a low pop server and im ally and horde outnumber us 2 to 1. so i am doing what you are only on a much smaller scale. so small that there are currently 4 abyss’ on the market and i have stocked up 12 so far. i will buyout for a while and then make my move