i baught your Horde lvling guild and it was great stuff. so much so that i don’t want to lvl with out it. i have just got a new computer and can’t find the e’mail with the download. i found the receat saying that i baught it but how do i get another copy without bying it again or can i? yes say that i can lvl without it just plan sucks

Just a public thanks to Gavinn, Lawbringer & everyone else in Dominate that have made the guild a place where progression & fun happens all at the same time. As a steady, but casual, player, I have found that there is a really nice balance between progression, having some fun, making room for different play styles, helping others out, playing fair with non-guildies on loot, etc…

I’m not sure doing all of those things is easy, but it seems to come naturally from the guys that put this thing together. Like Gavinn, I really don’t have a point to this comment, other than maybe to say this: if you’re a reader of DYS and/or thinking of buying something from them, you’re getting the real deal.

Bean

congrats all you in Dominate on your progression.

I guess you can have your cake and eat it too

Balduun
Ravencrest-USPVE

Don’t suppose you guys are looking for a rogue, mmm? My current guild can do 2-drake sarth but by the time we have both drakes dead and it’s just the big guy left, the same half of our raid that can never dodge void zones or fire walls, do the plague dance, etc.. are dead. Looking for a guild that takes themselves a little more seriously than that.

All that about having your cake and eating it too. so true! glad to see that there is still real fun and enjoyment in your endgame raids, keep up the domination!

Congrats on the top 5 ranking and glad to see you guys doing well.

do you have a guild on Arthas if so how can i go about hooking up

Much congratulations on your continued success, Dominate. You have brought a great environment to a very difficult server to play on during the Burning Crusade. I would preface, though, that wowjutsu is by all measures the worst site to gauge rankings. Given how Blizzard has determined progression to be re-arranged, there’s metrics which judge “ranking” are rather ambiguous if we are on the topic of rankings.

Gear is hardly a metric of determing rank. Moreover, one can argue 10 man 3 drake Sartharion is the hardest encounter in WOW atm and I know of just a hand full of guilds who have done it, pushing those guilds who have done it down the list. Furthermore, classes who have meticulously theorycrafted their class may not wear the top end gear because Blizzard itemizes quite odd at times. (I.e. set bonuses, certain set pieces, pvp pieces, unlucky drop rates, etc)

WOWjutsu does not account for the “new” way that Blizzard now gauges “rank” and undoubtedly none of the top guilds use Wowjutsu anymore either. Progression threads have fallen to the wayside. Why? Because the content is meant to be seen by all and what’s determined as progression is vastly different than TBC when a Kill was simply progression. One would presume a 10 man encounter couldn’t be progression over a 25 man, but it is.

I’d say it follows as…

1. 3 D Sarth (10 man)
2. 3 D Sarth (25 man)
3. Malygos (25 man)
4. Malygos (10 man)
4a. Sartharion – No drakes (simple tank and spank, avoid fire)
5. Naxxramas (25 man)
6. Naxxramas (10 man)
*One could insert full born achievement runs, like Glory of the Raider, Heroic Glory of the Raider, or Glory of the Hero, etc, as means to establish rank, since the achievements actually ‘test’ true skill. First kills obviously mean the most, with achievements following a close second.

I only say this because as a guild member of a guild who has done nearly every achievement from 10-25, plenty of people place too much emphasis on arbitrary websites that formulate their own metrics that have no grounding in what WOWs real player’s judge. With titles, drakes, and such, people can more accurately judge ’skill’ and guild rank. I also have no clue how WOWjutsu apportions points.

Damn riiiiight.

Hi guys – congrats!!! Soooooo, Alliance guild coming soon to a theater near us???? I know you guys are busy, but hey, how about spreading around some of that love to the Alliance side

Grats guys love your stuff, always have. hope that is proff to the noobs that what u say and right on this site works regardless of what they gripe about.

Keep up the good work.

And I too would be willing to transfer entire account to an alliance domination guild.

Well gratz guys, but to be honest i think you are bragging about the wrong information here.

I went and cleared all the content up to 2D sarth. We were 4th on Horde on Barthilas and 7th overall on the server.

But as everyone in my guild agreed progression in wow atm is ridiculous. To be honest i found karazhan harder than any wotlk boss. Except for perhaps special encounters such as 3D.

The only thing that is essentially required to run a good raiding guild is organisation and involvement. Guild Management is as much a PR thing as anything else. And the GM’s of Domination guild run their own wow tip site. And i am sure you have fairly active forums and guild chat. Making people enjoy their playtime is something that is often forgot about but you manage it because you guys have a positive attitude and people think they really are dominating.

The simple success of your guild is not down to how good you are but down to how good your image is. From inside the guild, the guild looks fun. From outside the guild, it looks successful (to some craptacular standard that wow is now played).

I have been coming to this tip site for years. And was going to the one before you had this one. But i have mentioned this before, sometimes you fall short of the mark of tips. Most people who check sites like this already go to both wowinsider and mmochampion. So upcoming patch information is not really that big of deal. But this site is meant to tell us how to exploit the knowledge of that patch inforamtion.

What this particular topic, i think, needed is you explaining HOW you did it. Did you wipe alot. Do you have certain raid leaders? Do they have tips? If you have a successful guild then giving full blown long winded explanatory tips is sort of what i would hope for from a tip site, and not just have fun. Because having fun derives from something much more than just wanting it. I have been in many guild that crashed and burned. What i want to know is what you attribute to your success and if ulduar becomes exceptionally difficult, do you think you will keep progressing?

Illzien and Dermie (et tu Tuketi?)

You are both right of course. Jutsu is not the best gague of ranking, and yes Kara before gear was much more difficult than Naxx. But what we are talking about here is getting ANY sort of ranking with a mixed bag of players just there to have fun.

Very few of our folks have ever even raided before on any level. So to be anywhere above 50th on any ranking site is not bad when your guild is basically training well over half of its members.

Maybe I didn’t point out the tip here (for GM’s anyway) that there are two schools of thought when it comes to guild management, or management of people in any situation really. There is the heavy-handed approach and the family/team building approach.

So many realms of real life are centered around competition. And while we agree competition tends to make people strive to succeed a complete focus on winning at all costs ilicits the growth of some very negative aspects of human nature the vast majority of the time.

So the tip is that GM’s are probably better served to build trust and relationships through patience and fair dealings than they are by whacking on people. There is certainly enough stress available in life without bringing even more into your hobbies. The end result is a much higher level of enjoyment without giving up much on the competition front.

Give us another couple of weeks and Sarth +3 will be done as well. Plus one was pretty much cake, which would put us in the top 15 on any other ranking for Fenris anyway. So no matter which metric you prefer we’ll be right there anyway in a short period of time – IF, of course, you care about that kind of thing at all.

And I don’t think it’s pointless to point out that fun is an important part of the WoW experience. People come to this site to learn ways to improve their experience in the game, thus creating a more enjoyable experience.

No we don’t always hit everyone’s hot buttons. Yes, some of our posts are not world-changing. But over time I don’t think you will find anyone who has not found a good tip here and there no matter how ‘pro’ they are.

We attribute our success to patience and spending the time to connect personally with people in a friendly way. Instructing people on how to do it properly without being harsh. Going out of our way to help and be nice to folks both in and out of our guild has meant retaining those who are members and gaining new members because of the reputation.

And yes, no matter how difficult Ulduar is we will beat the whole thing. Probably not anywhere near as fast as the “top” raiding guilds, but we sure won’t be relegated to an “also-ran” either. But keeping the priority on making the attempts enjoyable instead of beating some other guild will not keep us at the bottom of any barrel at all.

Oh, and to the comment about making people “think” they are Dominating – that’s a pretty subjective thing. We prefer to help people learn to play better than they ever have, or ever thought possible. So to each of those people they certainly are Dominating in a way they never have previously.

I think that all I was trying to say is that yelling “MORE DOTS” like a punk raid leader doesn’t mean you are really better than anyone. Especially when some casual guild is doing the same thing a couple of weeks later and no one got cussed out in the process.

One of my favorite quotes is from Peter Muller after the winter Olympics in 1984 after being beaten by Bill Johnson for the gold medal. When asked what happened (Muller was the overwhelming favorite to win gold while Johnson was an afterthought) he said: “Some nose picker from the back came up and won it.” Hilarious. I’ll never forget him saying that on national TV. We have a sense of humor at DYS and in the Dominate guild. Enough of one that when we, as casual and goofy as we are, outrank (no matter how flawed the system) a whole group of “serious” raiding guilds it’s a lot like that quote. Some jokers from the back came up and passed us.

So we get a lot of “Jutsu sucks – and you guys still suck.” Fine, we can live with that. But don’t be too surprised when we continue to beat everything the game has to offer, AND (unapologetically I might add) laugh all the way to the top (or at least as near as we care to get) – again.

for being a casual guild the vault is loaded

“We prefer to help people learn to play better than they ever have, or ever thought possible. So to each of those people they certainly are Dominating in a way they never have previously. ”
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I came to Dominate shortly before the Wrath of the Lich King expansion. I left another server and came to Fenris for the purpose of joining this guild becuase I knew it would help me progress further, faster. But what Dominate gave me was more than I ever expected. I raided lightly at level 70 getting into some guild 25s and such but never got into enough to get more than a few good pieves of loot. After spending just a few weeks with dominate I realized how little I actually knew about playing the game. I was embarrased about my skill level and intimidated by that of the ‘pros’ in the guild. Dominate not only helped me progress and learn bosses/raiding in WOTLK, but they helped me learn how to REALLY play my class. I am not by any means claiming to be an expert hunter, but I do know that without the patience and help of all the people in Dominate, I would still be that one poor little 70 in the raid group with half PvP gear and only auto-shooting.

Thank you Dominate for being patient and teaching me everything I know about WOTLK raiding, and most things I know about playing World of Warcraft.

Vyalaike
Proud member of Dominate
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Fenris&n=Vyalaike

so im from magtheridon and id say the top 15 guilds on server have had 3 drakes down for the past, idk 5-10 weeks? for my guild the last progression point was 3drake sarth, and we didnt stop raiding a full raid schedule until it was done… with the advent of these acheivements that make encounters more difficult, how can u say that you have cleared all content when in reality sarth +3 is the real obsidium sactum encounter?

I hope that post did not detract from your guild success, but was rather meant to highlight the errors in WOWJutsu and other accompanying websites ranking. Even in TBC, they were flawed and required GM’s and RL’s to submit tickets to bump their rating because a simple guild dissolution or new player could throw off the rankings if they were wearing loot from a boss other’s hadn’t killed, etc.

Today, only players’ in WOW have an internal “salute” for what accounts as progression in WOTLK and I don’t see this changing anytime soon. Uld 10 and 25 will be the bare bones minimum and with numerous hardmode achievements that such sites will never accurately account for and that GM’s won’t take the time to properly correct. Only the achievements tab can accurately record it and gauge “progress” relative to the server. So perhaps the day will come when WOW has it’s own progression meter. For the time being, players determine talent through achievements now and who does those achievements first.

For instance, if you go into ULD and down a boss in hardmode, I’d call that progress. If you take out YOGG as a world/server/country first, that’s an achievement. The hardmode would also be an achievement. But I never gauge people based on Wowjutsu and other sites because gear is the worst metric to judge people by (what if they wear the wrong gear but it gets the guild a high rating on such sites?) and that’s what these sites use as a basis for their rankings. It’s alot like judging a potential partner based ONLY on looks.

And let’s be frank, Dominate’s ranking amongst Fenris’ horde-side is anything BUT superficial. I’m truly happy that you came to such a server and grew a guild from the ground up. It was the perfect storm, whereby you leveraged your exposure, new content, and a niche. I imagine it was a great opening night experience for everyone while leveling in NR. And you’re right Gav and LB, that nothing bonds a guild like the experiences of success and failure.

If any guild wants to assure themselves of continuous failures, then be an open door of recruitment with no core and no friends comprising the guild. If you want to have longevity, then create an atmosphere of fun to log in to. Running a guild and progressing as a guild are not hand-in-hand ideas, as some assume. Progression guilds are just a kind of guild. Progress in-game has MANY forms, especially with the introduction of achievements.

But anyone who thinks running, building, and maintaining a guild is EASY has never done it — period, so my /salute goes off to those of Dominate. A guild can be a second job. The officers and GM get zero compensation, except the ability to help and affect YOUR gaming experience with their passion and knowledge. That’s it. Anyone who wants the power of GM/RL, etc, but can’t hack it without having a title in the guild, doesn’t want the true responsibility.

I.e. You have to believe it before you see it, and you must be it before you are it. I’ve been an officer in every guild I’ve ever been in, not b/c I asked for it or wanted to…but because I walked the talk, whereas other’s needed the title to do the things becoming of an officer. Just help the guild and it’s players. You’re a team. You ONLY progress in WOW by helping other’s. Same as in life.

GL and congrats Dominate,

Ilzien

Sooo…… How about that Alliance guild?!?!?!?!

I’m in this guild. Great guild, helpful and fun

As an active raid member and officer of the guild, i can say i am quite happy with the result. I already had raid worth toons on two other servers with about 15k gold on both of them when i decided to switch to Fenris. Though a bit less rich, i have never regretted the decision. This is first casual guild i have ever been in that

1. Downed more than three raid bosses
2. Did not convert to a raiders only guild to progress
3. Remained friendly instead of degrading into a hostile drama play
4. Dissolved due to lack of doing anything
5. ACTIVELY TEACHES PEOPLE

And i speak for more than myself when i say i want to keep it the way it is.

No, we are no Affirmative Action or VANQUISH in terms of hard hitting progression, but many argue that this is good thing. We get things done AND manage to have lives while we are at it.

For those who are not in the guild, our invitations will be forever open should you decide to come.
I only ask you do not bring drama to the guild. Seriously.