Comments on: Beginning To PvP

By: Lee

Lee — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:57:43 +0000

I am a noob to PVP I only have 4,000 kills and a few pieces of merciless armor at this point. I have yet to even enter an arena match. I did pull off 178 kills in AV the other night with only 8 deaths and we lost LOL. So I guess what I am trying to say is that even in PVP battle grounds it is not always just about the killing. You have to play the BG wisely as well as getting loads of kills.

I play a level 70 Dranie BM hunter and I usually own Druids, some Rogues, some warriors. Opponents I hate: locks, preists, and shaman. Shaman I can usually beat but it is a job to do it for some reason. A lock or a preist speced right will rip me a new one. So I am learning what to fight and what to avoid.

By: Austar

Austar — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 04:17:14 +0000

Dont forget that a PVP spec’d rogue will almost ALWAYS beat a PVE spec’d one… there is a such a major difference between PVP and PVE spec’s with certain classes, and i could definatly see a full blues PVP spec’d rogue beating a rogue with double warglaives, considering hes in BT gear he would most likely be PVE spec.
Try beat a 5/5 brutal PVP spec’d rogue in full blues, yes its possible but you would have to have extreme skill..

By: thats obnoxious

thats obnoxious — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:29:11 +0000

Now thats the kind of thing that pisses me off… when people say welfare gear… its gear. Its gear that people worked hard to get. Do you even know what Welfare is? If you say that theres no way that you really do. I also hate when people yell at non geared people in BGs… acting like they were BORN in full S3. Also just a note… people dont seem to understand that the reason people beat up full BT warglaive rogues is because thats raid gear not pvp gear… its not set up for fighting other people… for some classes its not set up to even get hit really.

By: Nfeko

Nfeko — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:57:22 +0000

If you want to start pvp never choose a warrior, they suck without gear, i was stood in an enemy tower on my resto druid with t4/ s1 arena feral gear while the warrior in lvl65-70 blues kept wacking me with his mortal strike etc and it really was like a flea bite a small rejuv was all i need to out heal his damage, and the reason i use a mix of feral and healing gear is because the arena 1 feral gear comes with healing and high armor which is useful for when i am getting chased by an arena 3 geared warrior, it allows me to take a blow or two before managing to get off a stun or use feral charge to fly across the screen to the other enemy and out of his range.

By: Servos

Servos — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 05:56:25 +0000

For a long time at 70 i did only pve, and switched to pvp. I had full pve epics, but still, not really good for pvp. I grinded it out, and at this point, im a resilience capped warlock working hard in arneas to get a rating useful enough for something. But enough credentials,

The absolutely most important stat while building up your pvp set, is RESILIENCE! Do not sacrifice this stat for anything else. The second most important is stam. Therefore, even if you are in pve gear or w/e, if you’re trying to deticate to pvp, re gem to resil and stam, it can be excellently helpful.

Second, get friends in your guild, and do arenas! 5v5 recommended. It’s ok practice, but more importantly, you’ll get some points each week. If you have a bad composition, or just simply bad gear, you will do terrible. But it doesnt matter, Dont be frustrated if you have a 1200 rating, you’re still getting points, And those points WILL add up to that brutal gear that you go gaga about when you see other amazing pvpers in.

Third, try to HAVE FUN in pvp. If your doing the bg grind, and hate it, and constantly complain that you have no gear so you cant do it, then pvp probably isnt for you. Even when i’ve had bad gear on new characters and started pvping, i thought it was wonderfully fun. Whether i always died, never got any kills, w/e, i still had fun. Honestly, if you dont like it, then why do it?

By: Rege

Rege — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 02:59:31 +0000

I can relate to Sigoroth and his latency problem. Try playing off a satellite connection sometime. Normal latency for me is around 1400-2000 sometimes going up to 3-5k. Arena under these conditions is very interesting. You walk out everything freezes for about 5 sec. and then your dead. Gear for me has made more of a difference than anything else I’ve done. Have macros, keypads and all the other stuff does not help when it takes you 2-5 seconds to get an instant cast off.

By: Vinniej

Vinniej — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:46:06 +0000

Thanks Law,

I deffinatley can relate. Enjoyed the post.

By: Bob Robert

Bob Robert — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:07:10 +0000

Want to say great topic, nothing brings the wolfs out better then a good story about ass kicking… I hated to PVP when I was new now that I know my Mage better I like it. Yes I get schooled by others and thats ok, but I also do the same. I think it is great practice and it helps make you better. You really have to act different in PVP then you do in PVE. I have seen my son play and his friend comes over to play as well and with 3 computers set up you get to see, not only your screen you get to see 2 others and how these guys act as well. I am still what you call a 70 noob, but these guys are good, both rogues and they go in packs. If one goes somewhere the other follows and they are a good team. I think they are a good team, because they not only know there main, but they also know each others. Dont lose focus on what this story is about it is about PVP’ing. If you are in a PVP’ing server you will PVP, if you dont fight they will kill you, but I think it really does help you understand your character better. I mean I do, I hate walking in the barrens and an Allie coming up and just killing me, there will be a time where you will fight back and it isn’t about killing another player, because you are not you are understanding how to use yours better. I think if you do not like being spit on, then you better learn your character… Actions speak louder then words. They might spit on you, but they are the ones walking back from the graveyard. My son gets pissed when he gets owned by someone else and it makes me laugh. I love this game and will play for as long as I continue to play this game and yes I get mad when I dont win, but it still is only a game. you get to log off and go to sleep and wake up the next day to play again. I personally think PVP is an essential part of this game it helps people understand thier character better. Remember if one thing doesnt work on a certain class USE SOMETHING DIFFERENT till you get it right. I see it in my sons face and his friends to when they win it makes them feel cool, but not so when they are losing. Who likes to go out and lose…No one, so practice, practice in PVP and get better, HELL maybe you will be spitting on people and pissing them off…lol

By: Sigoroth

Sigoroth — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:52:14 +0000

Well I’m not one of the locks that everyone thinks is so uber (though I cop the flak as if I am). I’m destro. I like destro. I don’t want to respec affliction. Maybe I could mitigate some of the stupidness of spell pushback if I decided to go affliction and just use instants all day long. I don’t want to though, and I don’t see why I should be handicapped because I choose to cast (surely destro is enough of a handicap?). For that matter, just because a lock CAN mitigate this problem it doesn’t mean that it isn’t a problem in general. I’m sure other casters have the same problem. Oh, and btw, warriors own locks, they’re locks “weak class”. Rogues are damn good against them too. As for kiting … you tried kiting a rogue? If you’re trying to tell me you can then, respectfully, you’re full of shit. Also, warrior charge makes that idea a bit of a non-starter for them too.

However, all that is a little beside the point. I probably wasn’t too clear in my initial post. When I did PvP, I did OK at it. Not spectacular (for reasons already noted), but OK. Most BG losses were due to poor group cohesion rather than any terrible imbalance in gear/skill/classes. What I was trying to get at (and perhaps failing) was that I found the experience terribly frustrating. Even with a win it was horrible, because those mechanics did not line up with common sense. I don’t care if every single class becomes perfectly balanced, if there’s still an option for “tiptoe around and they can’t see you” then it’s still going to be the greatest of crapness. Hell, if they simply justified the ability, such as an innate magical ability granted as trade due to selling their souls to demons or whatnot (come on, you know there isn’t a Rogue that still has their original soul). Then it would at least be slightly more believable. If Blizzard ever decided to fix the spell pushback and no collision problems (or auto-track!) then PvP would be worth a shot (I’d use my powers of denial to avoid thinking of rogue stealth as a “shhh, I’m hunting wabbits” kind of thing).

By: Justin

Justin — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:20:46 +0000

So…I’m just wondering…how many of you play priests and say that gear doesn’t matter? I mean…sure we get some talents that can increase our stamina…sure we get Pain Supression, sure we get improved(POS) bubble and some other crap…but without gear we’re screwed most of the time(except when the warrior in a mix of greens and blues decides to try to attack the S1/rep shoulder/S3 chest disc priest….)

Anyways…I realize that Blizzard added Resilience to stop people from coming in with T6 and just going pewpewlasereyesnails on people, however…when you’re just starting out in arena and just happen to go up a newly formed team in full S3 and you’ve got rep blues? F A I L
What would really be awesome is that when you zone into an arena you get a borrowed set of welfare gear that’s either 2-3 seasons behind what the current is…this would make arena a bit more balanced in the sense that skill *is* what actually killed you and not just because you were outgeared by [insert class] that can’t even focus fire but can just outlast you…

But hey, that’s my perspective and as of right now I’m a mostly PvE priest…so chyeah. Oh and sigoroth…completely agree with you on no collision detection…and how about this? I destroy people’s mind with Mind Blast and they just keep on running through me…I set them on fire and they just go “pokepoke” and I go QQ -_-