WotLK - How Soon Will I Have To Ditch My Gear?
Posted on August 15th, 2008 by Lawbringer under Efficiency Tips, General Tips, World of WarcraftYesterday I started a little argument with one of our faithful readers and posters James M. Don’t take it personally James, and I certainly appreciate your feedback, it makes me really research hard to back up my points.
The original statement I made is that most of your gear from tBC is already obsolete since WotLK will be out in a few months and you’ll be replacing almost all of your gear in a few levels anyway. That certainly was the case in tBC, and I expected nothing different from the next expansion.
To make myself perfectly clear, I probably should restate the position a little more carefully (again, thanks to James). It’s not that you will NEED to replace T5 gear with greens because the greens in the 71-73 zones are better, but you probably shouldn’t START trying to get geared up for the expansion if you aren’t already because the gear you will get in Northrend will be ALMOST as good anyway. If you already have 4 out of five of your T5 set, and a guild running the right stuff to get the last bit, then go for it. But if you have several toons at 70 that aren’t in high-end raid gear, now is certainly too late to worry about the grind of getting top end gear.
Now, Blizzard has certainly made every effort to make the gear from tBC raids more viable in WotLK than pre-BC gear was in tBC, but there is also a bigger difference between level 75 and level 70 toons and gear than there is between level 60 and 55. The reason is that as you rise in levels, the gains from gear contribute a more significant percentage of your base skills than at lower levels. I don’t have time in this article to go into a lot of detail on that, but every level gain is a more significant leap than the last one. By the time you get to 75 you will be fighting mobs that will just be a LOT stronger and tougher. Therefore, the gear has to scale faster to keep the game playable solo without having to go back and do 25 man raids from the previous patch.
Just so you all know I’m not pulling this idea out of some mental dork zone, let me give you a good example of what I mean. The following picture is of the T5 hunter shoulders from the Rift Stalker set. To get these shoulders you have to be able to go to Tempest Keep, a 25 man raid dungeon. These are a 54% drop and in a 25 man raid you can reasonably expect at least 3-5 folks to be rolling for these. That reduces YOUR chance of getting the roll to below 10% per run, meaning you may need to make 5 full runs to have a reasonable shot at them. Sound hard yet?
I would imagine that no more than 5% of the nearly 40,000 people who read DYS on a regular basis (or only about 2,000) have even sniffed the prospect of getting into a run on TK. I would wager that the real number of people at DYS who have had a legitimate shot at these is in the low hundreds. So saying that T5 will be ok until level 78 is making a HUGE assumption that there are just lots of people who have been able to build their complete T5 sets. If you look at the guild progressions on any given server, there are normally less than 5 guilds from each faction that have even made it to TK even today. That means it’s a pretty safe bet that only a few dozen guys on each server have completed even the T5 set, much less the T6 stuff. It’s that rare.
(Uber Dominate Your Server congratulations to those of you who have completed full sets! If you’re one of those guys you might pop your armory link into the comments)
Here they are:
Now, my original intent was to show that you will be able to get almost similar gear SOLO in Northrend fairly quickly and easily, so if you’re just beginning to collect T5 stuff, you probably just don’t have time and it might be a waste of time unless you already almost have all the set bits.
For one little quest in the Dragonblight zone at level 72 you can choose these green shoulders as a reward:
Ok, so no sockets, no intellect, and no hit rating, but if you CAN’T get your T5 shoulders before WotLK, these should do you just fine. Going solo, the extra 19 stamina, 4 agility and 10 AP will almost make up for the loss of Intellect - especially for BM hunters.
Let’s look at a couple of others a little higher up the level ladder at level 73 and 74:
Besides that, these choices would also be a decent fit for a Shaman depending on spec. If you have multiple toons, you probably have not had time to get a whole pile of epics for all of them.
Not good enough to show you what I mean yet? Ok let’s try weapons, those are a different type of thing, so let’s stick with hunter weapons and look at some good bows from tBC compared to some simple solo quest rewards from WotLK. I’m just going to assume you all know or can find out how difficult it is to get the epic bows I’m showing here, the greens and blues that follow each tBC bow is from WotLK level 75 or lower solo quest reward.
So I think you’re beginning to catch on to what I mean. You can certainly go to Northrend in your T5 gear and not worry about having to completely replace everything in two or three levels, but if you’re not uber geared there’s no need to worry about it much. In many cases, even good epic weapons will be replaced pretty quick. Armor seems to have a bigger gap but there’s one more thing we haven’t talked about yet that may make the armor argument completely disappear.
We have not yet seen the gear drops for Northrend instances! If they are as good as tBC instance drops, you may certainly expect to find gear that rivals T5 and T6 at level 72-73 Boss loot tables, we just don’t have a way of looking at those yet on wowhead. I could probably have made even better cases for T5 armor vs. Northrend early instance drops if there was more information on WotLK items, but there simply is not enough to choose from as of yet.
One interesting thing about WotLK drops is that there are a lot of items that come with random enchantments. Not that that is any different from the other two sections of the game so far, it’s just that we haven’t seen all the random enchantment drops yet so the names for all those possibilities don’t yet exist. All of those Booger Beater Longbow (of the bandit, of the fletcher, of the whale and that sort of thing) all we have is the pre-name without all the suffixes yet. The random chant stuff may be the best fit for many specialty builds.
So if you don’t like the armor comparisons above (I admit I wish I had more to choose from but it made the point anyway - triple stat greens are not really going to happen) just wait until you see the boss drops from the first few Northrend instances. If a couple of level 73 greens have decent stats you can bet that the blues from Boss drops will be even sweeter.
The whole point of the original discussion with James was not to bust your hump to try to finish up tBC raids for gear (and certainly not for rep) since you will be able to find comparable gear in WotLK relatively easily and quickly, and you are certainly going to want to save the rep grind for the new factions unless you are REALLY close to hitting exhalted with someone. It may not always be BETTER than tBC epics, but it will be close, and for leveling that’s good enough.
Besides, just like we’ve been saying all along with tBC, the really fun stuff will be the NEXT end-game content, so go quick to 80 and then start collecting your gear for the serious raids at the end of the WotLK. If you think the T5 and T6 stuff is good, you will be beside yourself looking at T7 and T8. When that stuff starts popping up we’ll certainly let you know.
The nice thing is that you’re not going to have to wait long for a final verdict on this topic. Gavin and I both got our Beta keys last night, so we’re about to find out how fast we both replace all our gear during testing. We’ll be sure to keep you posted about our progress.
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I do believe you have made your point completely and in my opinion it will be very difficult for anyone to provide a very good argument. I have been reading your emails for quite some time and I always like what you all have to say. As always its a pleasure reading your articles.
I definatly agree with you about the number of full sets out there!
My opinion towards the subject has been that gearing with an expansion on the way is a waste of time. It happened to me back before TBC and since then i’ve picked up this very firm belief.
Because of this i stopped raiding months ago. Instead i have been leveling my alts, preparing for Lich and spend a lot more time outside of WoW. However, I know this is just my view and i’m sure many people disagree with what i’ve done.
The best thing is to do what you find fun. If you find running instances, even if it’s just heroics and karazhan, for gear makes you happy do it. As soon as i knew it would all be replaced soon, it no longer became fun for me and i’m many agree with me on that.
If all you raid for is for better gear, then don’t raid. You’ll just be bitterly dissapointed every week you don’t get drops. Raiding is about going in with a group of friends and beating an encounter. Loot is just a bonus…
i am as geared as its possible on my server (Azshara) got 3/5 t4 and some nice other gear. building my badges up and stacrting to stockppile a few to see what they offer us in expansion.
i wouldnt say its “useless” persay to gupgrade your gear as it is atm.. but tbh i have spent a LOT omore time on my alts as we draw closer to release so taht i am not stuck with one option getting to 80. on my server there are NO t5/t6 raids.. no1 is that advanced (kinda sux but we have to live with that fact.. horde got it.. but not alliance) so we are limited to t4 and any patterns t5 equiv that we can get from peeps on horde side with the patterns (i got my belt of blasting last week)
so basically.. as the above poster said.. play to have fun.. and wait for the expansion and DOMINATE!
with the new patch getting mounts at 30 lvling is way faster i know somewhat off topic but it makes taking a new toon from 1 to 70 to much quicker i hated running back and forth in eather faction in the early lvls i dont do dungeons much and i barely ever raid i have 1 lvl 70 lock and a toon in every other class seeing the quest rewards in wotlk being so great ill lvl my other toons quick
The way I see it gearing a bit more before WotLK isn’t really a bad idea. Assume for those first 2 levels that if you were in at least t4/ s1 or s2 gear that you would fly through them a lot faster, simply giving you that boost to lessen your down time and get ahead of the pack. regardlesss of how close the gear is that may be released.
Take my warr as an example, geared up to s2/s3/s4 gear with decent weapons and trinkets, and have been planning a leveling build based off of the new talents, also based off of the gear I have collected thus far.
I agree with this post but I’m still unable to comprehend why people would literally come to a halt in the game waiting for the expansion, simply because new gear will be released. Don’t you people pay for the game because you enjoy it and what it offers, the fact is the expansion isn’t here yet so you may aas well make the best of it.
I agree with Souseki here. Pointless to gear up at 70 now that there is a expansion coming out? Thats in a few months, and any hardcore gamer could do tons of raids in that amount of time. Did the game stop being fun just because WotLK was announced? Should we just suspend our accounts as there is no point in getting new gear at this point? Hardly. Everything becomes obsolete when there is better gear to be had and that doesnt take a whole expansion to happen.
I agree with Souseki here. Pointless to gear up at 70 now that there is a expansion coming out? Thats in a few months, and any hardcore gamer could do tons of raids in that amount of time. Did the game stop being fun just because WotLK was announced? Should we just suspend our accounts as there is no point in getting new gear at this point? Hardly. Everything becomes obsolete when there is better gear to be had and that doesnt take a whole expansion to happen.
on my server, I would say we have about a lot of guilds that have cleared TK (probably 30)
What server are you on Celtica? Let me know and I’ll check to see exactly what the progression is on there. You can also see for yourself at:
http://www.wowjutsu.com/world/
Yeah ive gotta agree with you there, on Jubei’Thos both and horde and alliance have maybe 15+ BT/MH guilds, i cant imagine after all this time that any server could not have atleast 3 high end raiding guilds
These are all valid points and, like several of the above posters, I too have been spending more time on my alts. I currently have 1 lvl 70 bm hunter, and would like more options for level 80 when I get to that point.
Hi I am in a guild atm that has done t5 but no one has gotten there full t5 set but we are working at t6 atm and it would be nice not haveing to replace our gear alrdy but its the expansion so i think it is for the best everyone gets new it would be nice to find ouit if we will get anything for our badges in the expansion.
love the posts keep them comeing about wotlk.
on the old sever i use to play Quel’ thalas EU we had alot of guilds that had far exceeded t5 we had about 4 guilds in sunwell last time i checked and about 12 in blakc temple or something oh and we had shadowburn the best warlock that ever lived
His point isn’t to get you to stop raiding, it’s to point out that you do not have to raid and get the best gear to lvl at a good pace in WotLK. If you take a look at the post he’s said a ton of times that you should do what you think is best, but it might be smarter spending more time lvling an alt than spending the reminder of the time til the release trying to get t4- t5 or t6 gear. At the end of the day do what you think is fun, I’ve blown off raids because I wanted to do some PvP, why? Because it’s fun. It’s a game, the whole point is to have fun and I’m sure Lawbringer understands that (going by the context of this article I would say he does)… Now that I know that having high end gear will only help me lvl just a lil faster I’m going to spend more time lvling my alts with friends and going back to the old school instances for a lil fun. Thanks for taking the time to write this article, now I know to spend more time getting more alts up (in my opinion) so I can Dominate with every class!!!
While I see the point that it’s not worth hoping for T5 before WotLK comes out, at the same time, I hope people don’t give up on raids entirely. A few months before tBC came out, one of my guildies who played on beta told us that our gear would all be replaced by level 61 greens anyway, and people stopped showing up for raids. For those of us who raid for the fun of it, with gear just being a bonus (and a necessity for higher raiding), it made for several really boring, frustrating months (no raids, or halfhearted ones with no progress).
Then when tBC did come out, I wore my T1 and 2 gear for several levels anyway - I made my first “upgrade” to a blue at level 65, and some pieces lasted until level 69 even. Maybe I didn’t see all the great drops in the instances, but I do run enough instances that I saw some, but they just weren’t “huge upgrades” over my pre-BC epics.
“If you look at the guild progressions on any given server, there are normally less than 5 guilds from each faction that have even made it to TK even today.” - My server (Cenarius-US) has about 20 guilds that have cleared SSC/TK (both factions together), and are working on BT/SW now, plus almost as many that clear all but Kael and/or Vashj.. are we that far ahead of other servers?
you’ve covered the argument quite nicely, but me playing a druid will be curious to see what a druid could get to tank in? i mean the druid tank gear wasnt showing up till about level 68+ in tBC so when will we be seeing it in WOTLK?
in beta, all the feral druids talking on gen chat are saying that the gear is agil/ap based with no tanking attributes. really though, are you gonna tank your way to 80 or dps?
I know this isn’t exactly on topic fully, but my realm as well has many, MANY guilds in either TK or higher. Unfortunately, Wowjutsu will rank you on a system that doesn’t demand full clear of every raid. It makes it quite difficult to count the actual amount who have CLEARED TK and beyond. I play on Mal’Ganis.
Hello All -
All I can say is, as a 40+ year old married guy (going on 19 years), I love this friggin game, I love the fact that it is always evolving, that I can play with friends who are clear across the country and meet cool new ones, and that you guys have put this site together to help me sort it all out - keep up the fine, fine work
Bruce
Yea i have to say that on thaurissan i would put money on there being over 10 guilds clearing tk/ssc…i jst finishd lvln a 70 rogue 5 weeks ago and im already hitting up BT/MH. So i have to disagree with this 5 guilds in t5+ content. Im guessin lawbringer is on an american srvr because my entire srvr pugs all the t4 content and i have heard that the american srvrs dnt do this (i could b wrong here, jst wat i heard from an american that trasfered 2 my srvr)
Oh oh. I dont know whether to be ashamed or proud i got my own article named after me lol
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ravencrest&n=Mavelia
Im not that good a player, always looking for that one little thing to give me an edge, and ive used a lot of tips from DYS. Thanks for the comparison Lawbringer, i hadn’t realized some of the Wrath gear was so close to BC. The last time i had heard anything solid about the new gear was actually back when Blizzard was planning on making you have an 80 and maybe a quest chain to unlock the Death knight, but thats also because until very recently Blizz has been tight lipped about specific gear(as you mention again with the instance drops).
Keep up the good work guys!
Thaurissan is in the bloodlust battle group right? Think it is and i know that servers in this group are all well progressed with at least 10 guilds + on each server pushing their way into BT/hyjal.
What Jen and Ben said above are dead accurate. For people who go “oh im just not gonna raid anymore because my gear is going to be obsolete” is just such a stupid idea. If gear is the only reason you raid then im gonna take a stab in the dark here and say that you aren’t in a very progressed guild… because chances are, lootwhores generally arent.
When i raid and im sure its the same case for alot of other people, i get the same enjoyment out of downing a boss even though i dont need any loot from him/her/it. Sure some people might start to pvp more, begin leveling an alt etc but you shouldnt discount raiding altogether because having 25 people work together to down a boss should bring more enjoyment than any piece of gear could ever bring.
And 1 more thing hasnt been mentioned is set bonuses… I was still using t3 gear in the early parts of SSC/TK because they were just too good to be sacrificed. Just take a look at the 2 piece t5 bonus for the hunter as shown above… It’s insane. And 2 piece T5 isnt all that hard to get… Clearing the trash to void reaver is actually harder than the boss itself, and if you got decent healers then fathom lord shouldn’t be too hard either.
wow. on dethecus we have peoples alt’s running sunwell plateau and black temple cuz their mains are already t6′d out.. i thought we were behind the other realms by alot.
well . im just geting my 2 level 65s to 70 so i can have 4 lvl 70s by the time i can purchase the expansion. . i hope theres better loot fast . so i can rub it in to all those guys that laughed at me for not being t6
he does make a very good point but instead of focusing on getting T5-T6 we should be focuing on getting a lot of honor and marks so that when we do hit 80 we are ahead of the pack and can get into the end game stuff faster giving us more time to get T7-T8 before the next expansion comes out.
I see where your coming from with this, I ran into a situation kinda like this when TBC came out. I just hit the lvl to start running the Tier gear of the old world when TBC came out and everyone went to the outland and didn’t bother with the gear in the old world. To me I honestly don’t care if I get my t5 or t6 gear. I just want to be in the raids and enjoy some of the type of stuff I didn’t get to see when TBC came out. Not going to miss the raids this time even if I don’t get to get the gear this time around. I just want to enjoy the game
Good read. I think my server (Aerie Peak EU) has a fair few guilds on TK/SSC, but your totally right about the nature of raid loot compared to guaranteed quest rewards. In the end I gave up raiding cos everyone else was AFKing/lolbotting in BG’s and coming out with comparable gear (for the purposes of soloing) and better PvP gear. Seems a bit of a pain in the ass that people can get uber gear from essentially sitting around and bitching at each other. Anyway, here’s looking forward to the exspansion.
Raiding is all about gear , i have changed guilds so many times for gear now i am proud t6 holy pally
RL friends are true online friends arent crap id sacrifice theirfriendship for any piece of good gear.
Bloodhoof EU - 44+ guilds have done TK&SSC content…
The problem that I have with this talk of it no longer being worth gearing up is.. if youve not killed illidan yet then youve not finished TBC (shush your self about SW :P) so you still need to gear up for TBC content and get a move on.
Good luck
Sup Lawbringer, i don’t normally respond to post’s, but i think i will first off i dont know how many of you all where actually geard at lvl 60 before TBC but, if you remember the first quest rewards replaced a few thangs, just to help you get a little bit better geard for ramps, even tho they where green they were still good items. yes even tho the exsp isnt comeing for a few more months theres still time to get a lil more gear but just like in TBC you wont realy need it cause blizz isnt that stupid they allready have quest rewards that will make a new 70th lvl toon happy, all this has allready been ran through the thought’s off the desighners if not then you would to be attuned to pass through the portal just to go to northrend and that wont happen, but yeah it will be tough for sure cause i remember reading the article a few months back about how one reporter and 4 of his guild mates fully decked out in kara gear couldnt even take the first northrend instance boss down who is a necromancer or warlock, but anyways it’s late here work comes earlie you all take care have fun and most of all have fun
alot of people are saying that it is pointless to gear up now with WoLK coming out, however u must remember that there is still no release date, so if you are looking for something to do, why not gear up a character! (lolololol)
as has also been said, the jump between gear will not be as large as it was between vanilla wow and tBC, so people who were changing t3 gear when bc came out with greens, it wont be the same with t6 and sunwell gear, that gear will still be good till at least the higher 70’s (especially with the set bonus’)
and also alot of people have said that ther is no point in raiding and such, but u have to remember there are some people who play the game for story line and lore content aswell, and raiding is an essential part of that if u wish to “complete” the game if u will.
Nice article, do you know anything about the badges of justices collected so far will they be amenable to to lvl 80 gear (gonna more than what needed for 70 for sure but to which extent) ?
I would like to find out if saving badges has any meaning in the expansion. Will there be new vendors, as was the case with the Sunwell faction?
yes there are going to be new items, however they are going to be using different types of tokens. it hasnt been said if BoJ’s wills till be used for lvl 80 gear. my insight tells me that they wont, as i could easily save several hundred of them now and just buy some of the best gear in the game the isntat i hit lvl 80, and im pretty sure tehy really dont want tyhat to happen.
I love the fact you compared t5 “huntard” gear to greens from Wotlk but what about shammy healing gear .. lvling resto shammy is going to be a pain in my ass but im prolly going to so i can cheack out these intance’s easier. but my point is how fast will i be replacing my t6 Resto gear to greens or blues .. was hard in tbc lvling to get the “right” gear for my class since spirit does nothing for shammys and that makes the diffence if my t6 is going to be replaced.. take alook for your self at my toon http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Altar+of+Storms&n=Chaoticwrath
Hmm, I partly agree with what you’ve said. Although, I feel that there are pleanty of people racking up Sets or 4/5 T5 atleast. We have people roaming around with full Tier 6. I currently wear 2/5 Tier 5 (Shoulders and Robes) and the Tier 6 Gloves.. and I don’t look at it and think “Oh, I’m gonna’ replace this soon.” I get the gear because I enjoy raiding… and I think the decent gear is a bonus… and I don’t care if it get’s replaced at 72 / 73, because I’ve had fun working for the gear and I (hope) I’ll have that advantage when WoTLK is released.
I never played the game before TBC so I am kind os lost as to how much difference there is. I have no high end gear just a few PVP pieces and I am on an RP server. I run a lvl 70 BM hunter realm kirin tor and no other lvl 70 characters. My closest alt is lvl 34. Now what I am asking is will my gear be fine or do I need to keep gearing up. I really do not do any raids at all (I have done 1 raid ever). Mostly I play solo, so will I have any trouble at all in WotLK with my crappy gear. Most of my time since I reached level 70 has been spent helping my friends reach level 70.
http://www.wowarmory.com/guild-info.xml?r=Kirin+Tor&n=Chosen+Few&p=1
Don’t worry, Lee - the starting zones for Northrend (there are 2) are tuned for players as low as 68. So, if you’re 70, you’ll have no problems even with just green equipment, and the quest rewards there will get you up to speed with some seriously decent-quality gear.
Right, ok so my druid is a night elf, resto and im in T6 gear, the thing is, is since one of the more recent patches, you now get three t5/6 tokens per boss kill. and I think people are making a massive deal out of how hard TK is. And I think most people with the high end epics - should really be looking to replace their gear with Wotlk pieces at around 75-76. Alot of people are getting themselves t5 nowadays, and t6 is also common place as WOTLK nears it’s release. And if you’re guild is properly organized, you will more than likley be using a DKP system, which, in short - means all boss loot (including tier tokens) are more evenly distributed due to how many raids you attend. So earn your keep in raiding time, and build up a nice set of t6 ( it really isnt hard to find guilds doing t6 content nowadays) and you’ll probably be set for at least 74, if not one of two levels more
But either way it’ll get replaced, and i’m 100% sure we can count on blizzard to make the gear from quest entirley usable for the levveling run, Just a quick Q&A, I have no level 50+ horde char, so I will not be able to create a Horde DK? Correct?
ok im going to have to disagree with you on this post. entirely.
Ive looked at multiple damage gear ranking charts for every single class and they all show the same thing.
Northrend leveling greens and even leveling blues will not match up to even the weakest tBC epix until atleast level 75/76.
My particular class is (when expansion comes out) fury warrior.
THe only gear that competes is necklace (WLK gives 1 more dps).
Bracers (WLK gives .3 more dps)
WLk leveling greens dont even compair with merciless gear (which everyone should ATLEAST have)
There are even level 77/78 blues that dont compair with my gear.
Im sure a lot of people havent gotten as into the game as me (im into hyjal/BT at this point) but they should still be using even kara epix for a while into WLK.
As for ur links above, the tBC bows were entirely favorable for multiple reasons.
i just got my first 70 about 1 month ago and i am on a very competitive PvE server with 3 or 4 guilds in sunwell and someone even has the legendary bow off of KJ (here is her armory for proof http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&n=Gazelle). but i have been thinking lately whats the point in gearing up before WotLK and you have answered my question thank you
Hey All
first up i would like to say that gear has nothing to do with anything really, ingame gear is only about 10% of the game, if you are a highly skilled player you will ahve no problem at all killing any mobs, for example, i play a warlock, and people always bitch at how OP locks are, that is rubish, it comes down to skill, i have dueled ppl with no gear on and still wrecked people that are in s3/s4,
Gavin i appreciatte all your articles, but i must defeinately disagree with you on the gear aspect, i am in sunwell/BT gear, my t6 set bonuses are awesome, and i would certainly not trade them for a green, also the bows that you posted uptop in the article, the amani bow is far superior to all those bows that you have posted up top there, im not to sure on the exact calculations, but 126 armour ignore is what maybe 2% inc DPS? which is far superior to attack power. i get your point but still, it is a bit harsh to say that blue gear will rival t6, and sunwell gear, i dont think it will for a while, atleast not till lvl 78 blues. that is my opinion.
anyways, keep it up gavin i love your articles
Narthix 70 lock, laughing skull US (horde)
hey i just hit 70 on one of my toons
wondering what i should do now??? good post saved me alot of time
cant wait to see your replies
With the mention of ditching gear, I was talking to a guildie the other day who said they couldnt be stuffed farming for upgrades anymore but were still wanting to run Heroics.
My question is:
Will Badges of Justice in WoLK be as useful as Insignia of the Dawn/Crusade were in BC ?
Dear all!
This is indeed all true, and I do not dispute any of the authors arguments about the relative gear in BC and WoTLK.
However, to state that trying to get into T5 content is pointless, begs the question of: WHY do you want to raid? Is if for the loot? Really? For a bunch of pixels and a purple font? Don’t get me wrong, I like a shiny purple as much as the next gal, but to be honest, half the time, I will pass to someone who I know needs it more. The reason I raid, and the reason I would still spend my gold, time and energy on raiding, is because I enjoy being challenged - I like to be tested on my reflexes and quick thinking. I like to go into a fight that has 25 of us despair of ever beating it, and pull together, work together, be quick, be persistent, learn, and beat it!
I would kill (ok, not literally) to see Sunwell before the expansion - I know I won’t, not anything other than the trash, but I still wish I could! The loot is sparkly, sure… but.. I want to go because it is hard, and I KNOW I’m that good, even if the rest of my guild isn’t (but whom I love, so I will stay with them beating my head against the walls of SSC and TK yet again…)
SO - what SHOULD you do if you are wearing greens and have never been in a raid? What if you are new to being 70? Why, try to raid! or do instances and heroics, it really doesn’t matter, but do something that will get u excited and challenged. Learn about how to play your toon, how to work in a group, what benefits your class can bring to a raid. Learn about what stats are best for your class, what you should look for in gear, so you are not like the mage I’ve seen roll on a nature-dmg ring…. THAT is the only way to prepare for the expansion. You may not have time to get into TK and Hyjal and Black Temple, and I may not have time to get into Sunwell - but that shouldn’t stop you from trying to improve!
You may replace the gear the moment WoTLK comes out - BUT YOU WILL KEEP YOUR EXPERIENCE AND ALL YOU HAVE LEARNED.
Tinuviel pretty much nailed it. The experience you get from doing various raid bosses carries over to other bosses and allows you to progress faster as you know how to deal with various boss mechanics and only have to adjust to whatever spin the developers put on the boss in question (just think C’thun eyebeam compared to lurker spout, or the C’thun stomachs compared to the Kalecgos portals). Beating bosses is fun, requires work, and often involves a lot of time. The rewards are becoming a better player and getting to spend time with cool people. Loot is just a bonus. That being said - Blizzard already said that the gear difference between WotLK and TBC won’t be as major as the first xpac, and looking at some gear charts if you have access to T6 and Sunwell gear you likely won’t replace most pieces until you start doing level 80 heroics or 10 man Naxx. I know for my rogue that my current gear all shows up in the top 20 pieces available until 10 man Naxx with the exception of my weapons. If I was fully decked out in Sunwell gear it becomes all top 10 to top 15 pieces, often including Naxx 10 man. This doesn’t mean you should go crazy raiding to get gear for the xpac, but it doesn’t mean you should stop raiding either. If you enjoy raiding then keep raiding, the gear won’t instantly be obsolete. If you don’t enjoy raiding, then you shouldn’t be raiding anyways. If you raid only for gear, you’re raiding for the wrong reasons.
Here’s my armory link for anyone who wants it - If I have a riding crop on it’s normally replaced by either an ashtongue trinket or a dragonspine trophy
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Malorne&n=Kissme