What does the Apprentice Riding change do for Paladins and Warlocks who quest for their mount? I’m assuming they’ll have to buy a mount at 30 and then get their regular mount at 40 if they want?

So I guess they’re prepping everything now for WotLK huh? Wonder what other goodies they’ll give us next, maybe epic land mounts at 50? Too much to hope for isn’t it xD

Mounts at 30 is just a slap in the face to real players. Seems like Blizzard is trying to follow in the steps of SOE when they dumbed EQ down and ran off the majority of their player base.

WoW shouldn’t be dumbed down in order to keep/draw customers… how about making some more fun content or instances rather than cater to cry-babies that can’t level a toon.

I’m really looking forward to the mount thing, myself. With two level 70’s, I could afford it at the previous level/cost for my lower level characters, but this will make me a little more willing to actually level the two characters I have approaching level 30.

Tailoring - The cooldown for regular mooncloth will be removed completely

The price of mooncloth will now drop like a rock
as will the price of Items made from this cloth of note are the 16 slot mooncloth bags and the 24 slot satchel of cenarius bags.
looks like I better star to unload my stock of satchels #$%^%^&.

I cant find the patch notes and on http://www.worldofwarcraft.com patch notes for 2.4.3 it doesnt say anything about the things youve listed… where you seeing this?

I am also looking forward to this lvl 30 mount. It’s going to be interesting. What blizzard needs to do is something about the transmutes. I think its retarded that all the trasmutes share the same timer. I think they need to seperate them, so you can trasmute a meta and a primal within the same day.

Whats happening to lvl 30 druid travel form???

James - Warlock and Pally free mount quests will be knocked down to level 30 as well.

Walerwen - I totally see where you’re coming from. However, for alt-aholics like myself, I’ve done levels 30-40 hundreds of times, and it’ll be nice to be able to get through that block of quests a bit faster. Rick (the comment right below you) is a perfect example - he’s got toons languishing in the lower levels because he’s already got one or more 70s. Making it a bit easier to level alts to 70 just increases the pool of 70s for heroics, raids, etc.

MitchMc - Yep. Everyone dump your mooncloth crafted items before this patch goes live.

Razzy - sorry, I forgot to hyperlink it in the article. That’s been fixed. Look at paragraph 3 for the link.

-Gavin

With the tailing no mooncloth cool down thing, wouldn’t that raise felcloth (sp?) prices? So.. even though they are kinda expensive now, would it be profitable in your opinion to buy some out now and save it?

what does the lvl 30 mount mean? i agree with walerwen. it actually takes an advantage away from druids and makes 39 twink druids worthless. i remember starting on my server when it was brand new and seeing a lvl 40+ on a mount (which at the time was 100g with training) and thinking, ‘wow, this person is really somebody.’ but now, 35g at 30 - anyone can do that. everything that blizz makes easier, they take away some of the pride and accomplishment in achieving that goal.

WOW is gettin ridiculious, they are nerfing everything. Like lvling was easy enough as it was, then they nerfed the crap out of that, so now its a total joke getting to 60. They made crap glow and twinkle, what u can’t see the egg, herb, etc.
And now mount at lvl 30? this game is becoming a TOTAL JOKE

I completely agree with tatsumasa and walerwen. Mounts at level 30 will ruin PvP for twink 39s. And only worth 35g?? If your a miner, you can make 35g in a couple of hours mining copper. I also agree that mounts are a symbol of achievement, when you reach level 40, quests are much longer and further away, so it is nice to have a faster method of transportation than running. At level 30, quests are still somewhat easier and close together. It is really taking the accomplishment out of a mount.

I totally agree with the others….and I too am an alt-aholic. What a gyp to get mounts @ 30 and so cheap too. What about all the rest of us who have been trying 2 achieve since pre-bc? It’a slap in the face 4 sure.

i agree that the mounts at 30 for 35g will take away from the pride aspect. i think they need to change it so that it only works if you have one lvl 70 character. that way, it would make the alt toons lvlin easier, and it would still keep the pride aspect alive, because if someone sees a 30 on a mount, theyll kno they have a 70 on their acct somewhere. and if they make epics to lvl 50, blizz will be hearing from me, and probably many other players. they need to add more content instead of dumbing down accomplishments

Well some good and some bad. But all that i see that really see that bothers me… is my 39 twink. I made it at that lvl because of the no mounts and the well rarity of twinks in that lvl group. But meh six hundred gold smix hundred gold. Guess i just lvl it on to 70.

you know what….quit your crying about the mounts. If you already have an epic flyer. Just be glad that now you can level faster with your punk alts and get them to 70 faster before WOTLK comes out.
SO QUIT YOUR CRYING LITTLE GIRL AND GO SELL THOSE DANG COOKIES!

Level 30 mount!! Comon, having pride because you have a mount at 40(pre-patch) WOO WHO!! No one idolizes you because you have a mount at lvl 40. Level 30 is a great idea! probably the majority of wow players have always wanted that! I have. The 60% mounts, or any other normal faction mounts don’t mean jack in wow… its getting an actual troll raptor when your blood elf! Even then, who really cares?! Its a game, your not showing off your riced out civic on the one way to a bunch of girls. This patch will out do the last.

Who cares if you can get a gimp mount at 30? Big deal. It still costs 6k to get your epic flyer, and leveling from 70-80 will take a fair amount of time. Dont forget this game is almost 4 years old.

In the big mount debate here, let me interject that there may be a really good reason for changing certain aspects of the lower levels of the game in advance of a major expansion such as the upcoming Wrath of the Lich King.

Part of the reason for the success of the leveling guides available is that it is pretty difficult to hit level 70 as the game now stands. When that cap is raised to 80 we can imagine that the thought for even veteran players of starting a new toon to level all the way to 80 is a little hard to swallow.

It may rankle some of you to think that some new kid is going to have an easier run from 1-70 because of earlier mounts and experience changes when you had to work a little harder to do so in the past. But Northrend isn’t going to be much fun for anyone if it only contains the current toons on the realms.

The more the merrier is a really good way of looking at this. I imagine that the death knight is the first of a whole new batch of hero level classes. In Warcraft 3, using your heroes properly was the difference in winning or losing the Hyjal battle. We are probably headed toward that in WoW, as well as a level cap of 100 at least.

If there aren’t some changes to the way toons level from 1-60, nobody is going to start a new toon from scratch when the cap is 100 - can you imagine how crazy hard that would be?

Furthermore, how’s this for making this whole thing seem a little silly. Everyone who begins a death knight toon for WotLK gets a DK that starts at - LEVEL 55! I can’t imagine how bad you guys would be screaming if Blizzard announced they were going to spot every character class the first 55 levels. We’re nearly having fits here already over moving low level mounts down just 10 levels.

Most of the big fun in this game has always been in the end-game material. We all benefit by having more people available for that content. Keeping things as hard as possible for the very lowest levels is counterproductive as the game expands. Otherwise only those people already raiding Black Temple already even have a shot of ever seeing the end of the WotLK Material. Since only one or two guilds on each server can say they are even in BT, that pretty much leaves everyone else out for the next expansion unless you make certain things just a little easier so it doesn’t take you two years to work up a new priest to level 80, gear him, rep him, mount him, profession train him, and on, and on, and on. It’s no good working to create new content if only 2% of your customers will ever see the stuff.

I imagine that a company with the most popular game in the history of MMORPG doesn’t just pull these ideas out of some bum’s hat on the street. Nor do they make major changes without a LOT of customer survey and input. Have a little more faith than that!

And I have to totally disagree that Blizzard shouldn’t do whatever it takes to “keep/draw customers.” If good business decisions from the folks who gave you the best game out there seem dumb then go try one of the free MMORPG’S out there. They are free and they suck compared to WoW. I for one hope they keep drawing more customers and keep all of us around for a long time. When they lose too many they will stop creating new content and the whole thing will get dull and die in about a year. If 5,000 customers stay in the game because of some changes to make the low-end a little easier and 500 hotheads leave because they think that’s unfair I would take that trade as a businessman every day of the week!

Plus - It’s a GAME! Have fun and enjoy it, it’s not really as serious as all that.

I play a warrior and now a pally.I love the game but gate when people buy up all of 1 item on the ah(for 4for 65s and turn around and sell it for 9-20 g .
The only thing I really dislike is the unfairness of the system ,where pvpers get a huge advantage over the rest,they get a shot at nore valuable items.and next the mounts,are outragiously priced but not nearly as the riding lessons.
The game is hugely unfair in many ways but it is a fun game and I guess Ill live weith it
where else can i kill evil spirits and beasties? I do think that blizzard should revise the talent system,ecery 5 levels give 3 talents.
RICHARD RINES
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@Lawbringer: A point well made. I often felt that Bilzzard gave too much to the end game players and that it didnt support people who dont have all the time in the world to play WoW. Although this will change the way pvp is done, it will make leveling my MANY low level alts easier.

One point on where I would disagree would be the level cap raised to 100. Thats not going to happen. If it takes a whole continent to get 10 levels, dont count on there being another 20. And as you said, it would be too much of a pain to level from 1-100.

“…there isn’t anything of interest from the gold-making perspective…”
so i’m flying around on my human pally (lvl 14) talking to my friend about the mounts in the upcoming patch, and i say ‘lvl 30 isn’t enough time to get the rep for mounts we want.’ both of us are partial to sabers and grind night elf n00b quests for rep to get them on our non-elf characters. then i go train up my skinning in darnassus and see the cloth collector person, and it hits me, you can get enough rep to get your non-racial mount at 30 by turning in enough cloth. i’m reasonably certain we’re not the only ones who don’t like horses, so it would seem logical that a lot of people will be wanting to get their lvl 30 alts a lot of rep really fast when this patch comes out, and the fastest way to do this: turn in a crapload of silk cloth. and what does this mean, since it takes 60 silk to get one rep bonus? the prices of silk are going to go through the roof. i just bought a whole lotta silk on my bank and i’ll be buying a whole lot more. here’s your opportunity for money gavin.

Tatsumasa,

That’s very creative thinking on the silk cloth turn-ins. I’m not sure how much of a price bump you’ll get, but I can see your reasoning.

The only problem I see is that there is always such a huge volume of silk on the ah anyway that the price increase may not be very large. Silk is almost always in a demand deficit compared to supply but we would love to hear how it turns out for you. Also, there is a limited amount of rep to be gained from the silk turn-ins.

Even if you buy too much silk now and don’t get the price bump you want, you could probably make some money turning all that cloth into green silken shoulders and then disenchanting it all and selling the mats. The enchanting mats from de on the shoulders is probably worth more than the cloth and will resell faster. At the bare minimum you can certainly break even.

If you don’t have a tailoring and enchanting alt and the silk isn’t reselling well, trickle it back into the ah and don’t just attempt to dump it all at once, you’ll mess up the supply and demand scale and prices will drop. Patience is a virtue most of the time when dealing with large quantities of anything at the ah.

i think they should keep the level 30 mounts but be nice to the twinks by not allowing them in the battlegrounds until 40

Whoa whoa whoa… Silk donations? I’m trying to get an undead horse for my BE rogue and even with the wool, silk and mageweave I won’t have enough rep by lv 40. I know for a fact you can’t keep giving silk cloth. Except for runecloth, you cant repeat any cloth donation. If it were possible to do multiple turn ins, then silk would already be selling like hotcakes, and believe me, on my server you will be lucky to get more than 60s per stack. I hope there is a return policy on all the cloth you bought.

For myself… I’ve always given up on most of my alts in their 30’s because I’ve been so effing tired of the slow running. Exception was the Droid and the Huntard which has Travelfrom/Aspect of Cheetah (and Shammies have their Ghostwolf, though I’ve not got a Shammy above lvl 30 yet )

So I see this as a nice move, it’ll give me an incetive to play my numerous alts since they’re not slow anymore.

And FFS… TWINKS?????? Twinks are for complete losers who doesn’t understand the EGI raids, so they ruin any and all fun for normal players in the BG’s instead.

One thing I’ld LOVE to see implemented, is that if you’re below the max level, each kill of the opposite faction will give you XP so you can’t kill more than about 200 then you’re out of the twink-zone.

Keeping a toon at 19/29/39 simply ruins the games for those of us who doesn’t really care about PvP but do it for recreational reasons

RAWR

@DocMindie: I agree that their ought to be some restictions, perhaps stat caps or something to that effect, but making so people get EXP per kill? That will push a lot of normal players out of the bracket.

Also, ghost wolf is a lv 20 skill XP.

gavin, thaks for your response. i don’t do tailoring cuz i go with gathering skills on all my characters. so yes, at the very least i’ll break even. my bank character is all full of silk and just waiting for the patch to go in effect. i totally understand supply and demand on the auction house and like that you pointed it out. i wish others would take this into account and maybe it’s a topic for a future dys page. it is so frustrating to get a blue mat drop, like a raw gem, and to post it in the auction house only to check the next morning and see that some idiot has posted 30 of them under you. undercutting is the way of the ah, but by posting a lot of an item, especially an item that people only buy one or two of at a time, just throws the whole thing out of wack, drives prices down, screws everyone else who has posted out of their deposits, and also screws the poster since there is no way that many of the item will ever sell in a day or two. even high-demand items, like this silk, i will only post a few stacks at a time (with the new patch or later) to ensure demand stays up by keeping the supply down. thanks again and hopefully there will be some profit in this patch somewhere.

The patch notes no longer say anything about changing the lvl for mounts.
Does this mean their not changing the lvl or what? im also wondering when they are going to finally do this patch.