Pallies R Us
Posted on June 17th, 2008 by Nameless Demon Hunter under General TipsThe two most versatile classes are the druid and the paladin. Not only do both contribute to dps, tanking, and healing, they offer important buffs that are vital for carrying out grouping, raiding, and bg’ing.
The paladin is an amazing class. They have key ingredients for arenas and raids due to their special abilities. This guide will help you chose what spec is right for you from level 1 past level 70.
When starting out, it is safe to work down the retribution line. This gives the most solo capability for running through quests quickly and leveling. Even through instances up to ZF, retribution paladins can tank without protection points or even a shield.
After hitting outland it is smart to switch over to holy or protection, there is always a demand for healers and tanks for the 60+ dungeons. Even if you only plan on dealing with one spec, it is always wise to collect gear for all 3 specs. You never know when you might switch over.
For end game, most paladins are protection or holy. Retribution paladins are very rare in raids or heroics, due to the amount of dps and CC (crowd control) they are limited too. Some players do take the retribution line, for there is some awesome raid gear out there to be earned. Retribution dps can be effective.
Here is a brief run down of what you need to know for paladin specs:
The Healadin
The holy paladin is a strong class for raiding and pvp. They offer constant heals that are largely accumulated. Just thinking about characters in plate that can heal makes me grin.
- Relies on crit healing
- High amounts of mana regeneration
- Able to cast large heals consecutively in a short amount of time
- Due to abilities, very good class for arenas
The Retadin (aka Retardadin by popular demand)
The retribution line is harshly under rated. It does not necessarily yield the outstanding dps that other classes can put out in pve. But in pvp, this is an excellent talent line.
Retadins are just as rare in pvp as in pve, but a geared retadin can solo down any class with ease. They are reliant on burst damage in combination with their stun and timing. Even though they necessarily do not have movement slowing effects, the advantage of pursuit of justice used with seal of justice will make it so no enemy can ever escape you.
- Relies on strength, crit, and spell damage
- Use improved BoF (blessing of freedom) with seal of justice so no enemies escape you
For mobs or characters that do not run, apply seal of crusade then phase through seal of command for the best dps outcome - Use slowest 2h weapon for greatest proc damage
The Tankadin
Tankadins were not always favored as a main tank for guilds. However, people soon realized just how effective they are, especially in heroics. Their ability to control multiple mobs through consecration is far superior to warriors tabbing targets while spamming sunder. The tankadin doesn’t generate threat through physical damage and taunts, rather through spell damage. It is important for end game tanks to spec not only in defense and stamina, but in spell damage as well to hold max threat.
- Relies on stamina, defense, and spell damage
- Can easily control multiple mobs
- Extra buffs – BoS (blessing of Sanctuary) and BoK (Blessing of Kings)
- Can support groups with their special abilities where warriors can not (ie blessing of protection, resurrection, divine intervention)
It is great to be able to switch between different specs such as healing and tanking while using the same class. Crossing a geared pally can be harsh, especially when they are in combination with another good class. They are one of the most needed characters in raiding while doing some even more amazing things for the simple heroics.
















tbf… a retadin is not a leet class in arena, admittedly ive never played as retribution in arena.
Im mainly thinking 2v2 and 3v3 here, if the opposing team has a ret pally all ive ever seen them doing is running around doing mediocre dmg easily healed through,and then going oom leaving them helpless.
This is from the eyes of a holy pally, and as long as i keep up one dps my dps will down the retadin easily, even with a healer on its side.
They have use in raids but thats it. They are not useful in 5 mans. And they should not be priority for your arena team.
Overall i must say this post is lacking in detail and does not give any more than the most basic information available on the paladin class.
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Good article, IMO you are much more knowledgeable than the winner of the contest, they got that one wrong. Keep em coming!
Yay, Paladins! I CAN RELATE TO THAT!
Ret Palidins are rare in the later levels but they can dominate in BGs. Could you link a reccomended retribution based build that is useful for pvp and pve? I have a lv 52 Ret Belfadin that I was still deciding the path of.
agree, if any1 needs advide on tankadin talk mt me: farzad, sylvanais, EU
I love your site and your e-mails, but in this case you have thoroughly disappointed me with this article by not even giving the Shockadin at least an honorable mention, contrary to popular opinion it is still a very viable spec.
The wtf expression and tuck tail and run “if they still can” after being hit for 5k in 1 sec is priceless especially when some stupid alliance thinks they are gonna wait it out and kill this harmless healbot. We are not much on sustained dps but man can we we burst, our survivability is still decent and we can MH almost as well as our Pure Holy Brothers!
So how about some love for the Shockadin
Keep up the good work!
@ ren… the best spec for raiding pallies is 5/8/48 which allows for only a 95 hit rating with the 3 points in precision. Although with a 142 hit rating you could go 5/0/56 which is what i use for pvp. it’s what i call the selfish ret pally spec. the 142 hit rating would allow you to never miss on a boss mob but the points in vindication would be useless because the majority of the mobs in 25 man content are immune to it, but it would save ya some cash in respecing all the time
hope this helped
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Jamie,
The Healadin and Shockadin are the same thing. This isn’t an in-depth post or it would be more clear. However, shockadin dps is incredibly weak since you are specing in +heals vs +spell damage.
Shockadin is used for solo’ing when needed, that is, no one is around to help you. It is a survivability, but I have never witnessed someone using it as a main dps tool, nor would I.
Unknownalias,
This article is meant to be basic. If someone has never played a paladin before, they know what to expect and have a general idea of what to work around.
I use to play a retadin in 2v2 arena. I easily outperformed my rogue in wins. The reason that retadins pwn, is becuase the burst damage crits they can proc. Needless to say, this is all based on chance.
It is hard against other classes such as healadins. But when we get that burst damage, we send a surprise that wins the game. I have one shot healadins from 40% to death by procing and getting duel crits. This gives the enemy absolutely no warning to proc their shield, for they are already dead scrolling through their combat log to see what the hell just happened.
Protadin…with very little points put in Protection and the rest Holy a Protadin can solo even ZF. This I know to be true as I do it about once a week….Im not even lvl 50..Im only lvl 44…So never forget the tanking healer…Protadin= A class by itself…
Any ret paladin that stacks spell dmg anymore is about as good geared as a half-retarded boomkin.
To be viable in raids as a ret paladin, you have to have super good gear. I’m not talking really nice blues, or basic welfare epics. I’m talking in all purple PvE and Veng Glad gear.
unknownalias most ret pallys dont know how to play ret pallys 3 of my friends are ret and can dps like mad and dont run out of mana. your dead befor hes even half on mana. ret pallys are good in arena so dont nok it till you try it. a ret pally takes skill u can just put on epic gear and call your self good. a skilled ret pally can kill eny class no ifs ands or buts.
Actually, in 25man content, the buff that Ret pallies give 1) their group, and 2) the entire raid, is very hard to deny, and if played properly and placed in a good melee group (BM hunter, Feral, Enhancement shaman) provides much more raid utility than an MS warry with blood frenzy. Ret pallies aren’t really all that rare in endgame content, its just that so few people actually know how to play them properly. I’ve seen Ret pallies sustain 1k-1200 DPS is SSC/TK level gear. Thats pretty decent
A very nice post.
People are walways going to disagree on certain points due to personal experience and use of different gear.
A point i would make: Spec retri from 10-30; Then respec prot till you hit the top level. Why? Prot is much faster through the leveling stages due to mass group aoe. Although when you are retri you can down mobs pretty quick and easy, it’s nothing to tanking 5-10 mobs down at a time with ease. The amount of down time is also dramaticly reduced, especially when you get into plate. You can take about 4-5 groups containing 5 mobs in each without having to eat or drink.
It’s also great fun dinging after pulling 5 mobs your level, aoe’ing them down with the help of lay on hands part way through.
To be brutally honest, pallys are probably the worst (or second worse, behind oomkin) in pvp dps. Lot’s of people say, “well, if they have gear, they’re good” and yes…but everything is good with gear, and with the same level of gear as a ret pally, everything else is better
servos just stop pls just stop. it’s very rare that i am not the top on dmg done in a bg. also i am top or very close to top dmg in all my arena teams. i 2v2 with a warlock in full season 3 except the shoulders, and i run in a melee only 5v5 and stay close to the top of the dmg meters while spot healing so to say the class is the worst dps or second worse is just showing how little you know about the game. gear and skill make or break the player not the class.
so to be brutally honest servos your post made me lol irl.
prot paly in arena can cause some massive damage with imp divine shield
yOU HAVE THE SAME COMMENT FORM AS dAN weSSON,i STARTED A PALADIN YESTERDAY,i AM NOW LEVEL 10 I USED MY FIRST TALENT IN THE HOLY LINE,CAN YOU SUGGEST A BUILD THAT WILL ALLOW FOR SOLOING MAINLY AND POS TANKING
rich
My ret pally can kill almost anything in pvp and you dont exactly need very good gear to kill if you know how to play a retadin…
I will have to disagree with your build Jared. Without Blessing of Wisdom, my Retadin wouldnt even have mana regeneration to speak of so I wouldnt even consider using Improved blessing of might. I would call Divine Purpose a loss as well seeing as -10% on critical damage only won’t save your life. Why not improved Sanctity Aura?
I have heard so much talk about shockadin, but have never seen a spec for it. I leveled my pally 1-67 as holy, which was painful, but I didn’t know any better. I played 67-70 still spec’d holy, but using more AOE and crusader. With thoughts of rolling a horde pally, does anyone have a solid spec for playing a shockadin?