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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://dominateyourserver.com/2008/04/17/talent-specs-and-you/comment-page-1/#comment-2178</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umm, OP please don&#039;t post when you don&#039;t know what your talking about..  Any rogue that specs a 31/30 is an idiot.  Viable rogue specs are usually 20/41/0 15/41/5 41/x/x (can&#039;t remmeber the Mutil build off hand) for pve.  For pvp you can get away with a hybrid spec but rogues tend to spec 20/0/41.  Some people will spec a hybrid to get sword spec/hemo.  Mutilate 41/0/20 is used sometimes in pvp, although ShS is much more common.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm, OP please don&#8217;t post when you don&#8217;t know what your talking about..  Any rogue that specs a 31/30 is an idiot.  Viable rogue specs are usually 20/41/0 15/41/5 41/x/x (can&#8217;t remmeber the Mutil build off hand) for pve.  For pvp you can get away with a hybrid spec but rogues tend to spec 20/0/41.  Some people will spec a hybrid to get sword spec/hemo.  Mutilate 41/0/20 is used sometimes in pvp, although ShS is much more common.</p>
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		<title>By: Kadir Silvermace</title>
		<link>http://dominateyourserver.com/2008/04/17/talent-specs-and-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1426</link>
		<dc:creator>Kadir Silvermace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright... now I have to really disagree here. This isn&#039;t something you can just generalise about. Hunters and rogues can get away with hybrid builds, and 31/30/0 warriors tend to own in PvP but that&#039;s it. I can&#039;t think of any other classes that can hybridise that much and remain viable at endgame.

That&#039;s three out of nine classes.

I think the best advice you gave here was to check wowwiki. Wowwiki is your friend as a newbie player. As patches come and content changes, players edit WoWwiki and builds to reflect the changes that players need to make to adapt. That includes the builds page.

Oh and Ren and Cédric, the reckoning/retribution paladin build is dead. It died when the endgame talents got changed to give retadins threat reduction. It died further when retadins were given an improved Crusader Strike that made the talent indispensable.

Anyway that&#039;s my two copper. Other than that one thing, I like the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright&#8230; now I have to really disagree here. This isn&#8217;t something you can just generalise about. Hunters and rogues can get away with hybrid builds, and 31/30/0 warriors tend to own in PvP but that&#8217;s it. I can&#8217;t think of any other classes that can hybridise that much and remain viable at endgame.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s three out of nine classes.</p>
<p>I think the best advice you gave here was to check wowwiki. Wowwiki is your friend as a newbie player. As patches come and content changes, players edit WoWwiki and builds to reflect the changes that players need to make to adapt. That includes the builds page.</p>
<p>Oh and Ren and Cédric, the reckoning/retribution paladin build is dead. It died when the endgame talents got changed to give retadins threat reduction. It died further when retadins were given an improved Crusader Strike that made the talent indispensable.</p>
<p>Anyway that&#8217;s my two copper. Other than that one thing, I like the article.</p>
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		<title>By: gunnar</title>
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		<dc:creator>gunnar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 15:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>talents are just a matter of opinion and how you play, i have a lvl 49 warlock with all one spec and hes just as good as my priest that is a hybrid. Like gavin said there is no &quot;best build&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>talents are just a matter of opinion and how you play, i have a lvl 49 warlock with all one spec and hes just as good as my priest that is a hybrid. Like gavin said there is no &#8220;best build&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Spun</title>
		<link>http://dominateyourserver.com/2008/04/17/talent-specs-and-you/comment-page-1/#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator>Spun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article, it makes me re think my current spec im mostly BM with enough to get aimed shot in MM for pure dps reasons and i wanted the BM spec as i&#039;m wholey concentrated on the survival of my pet. If I lose my pet I dont have the armor or stam to live long enough for me to do my job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article, it makes me re think my current spec im mostly BM with enough to get aimed shot in MM for pure dps reasons and i wanted the BM spec as i&#8217;m wholey concentrated on the survival of my pet. If I lose my pet I dont have the armor or stam to live long enough for me to do my job.</p>
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		<title>By: Ren</title>
		<link>http://dominateyourserver.com/2008/04/17/talent-specs-and-you/comment-page-1/#comment-204</link>
		<dc:creator>Ren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 03:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve deffinitely considered the combination of Reckoning and Retribution but there is a problem with that strategy. Ret based Palidins use two handed weapons. The Reckoing buff only lasts about 8 seconds to double your swings for the next for hits. However, two handers are so slow that they might be able to use two of the 4 double swing hits. Even with my prot pally (I have a lv 50 human prot and lv 53 BE ret) who uses a one handed sword and shield, does not always consume all her Reckoning &quot;charges&quot; before the buff is gone.

Another problem with speccing only partly in prot is that there are a lot of points that are wasted in terms of dealing more damage. For example, the first two talents are 5/5 for improved blocking (Ret palidins dont use shields!) or 5/5 for improved defensive aura (that sucks even for people who do use shields). You don&#039;t use shields and if you are going into the Ret tree you should be using Sanctity aura for more damage.

@Rommoram: I&#039;ve seen good builds for Warriors and Rogues that use a 30/31 build. I dont know if they can compete with pure bred specs though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve deffinitely considered the combination of Reckoning and Retribution but there is a problem with that strategy. Ret based Palidins use two handed weapons. The Reckoing buff only lasts about 8 seconds to double your swings for the next for hits. However, two handers are so slow that they might be able to use two of the 4 double swing hits. Even with my prot pally (I have a lv 50 human prot and lv 53 BE ret) who uses a one handed sword and shield, does not always consume all her Reckoning &#8220;charges&#8221; before the buff is gone.</p>
<p>Another problem with speccing only partly in prot is that there are a lot of points that are wasted in terms of dealing more damage. For example, the first two talents are 5/5 for improved blocking (Ret palidins dont use shields!) or 5/5 for improved defensive aura (that sucks even for people who do use shields). You don&#8217;t use shields and if you are going into the Ret tree you should be using Sanctity aura for more damage.</p>
<p>@Rommoram: I&#8217;ve seen good builds for Warriors and Rogues that use a 30/31 build. I dont know if they can compete with pure bred specs though.</p>
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		<title>By: truckin it</title>
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		<dc:creator>truckin it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 03:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not not allways true Rommoram. iv&#039;e play both my warrior and rouge w/ a 30/31  build and they seem to work great well the warrior is ms spec  fury  is better off full 41 w/ rest but 3 in arms the 3 points left over in prot for the extra rage when changeing stances but a rouge more better off before BC is 30/0/31  or 31/0/30  but really only works for a dagger rouge for backstabbing its not the best spec but won many duels w/ it. but mutilate is indeed much better</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not not allways true Rommoram. iv&#8217;e play both my warrior and rouge w/ a 30/31  build and they seem to work great well the warrior is ms spec  fury  is better off full 41 w/ rest but 3 in arms the 3 points left over in prot for the extra rage when changeing stances but a rouge more better off before BC is 30/0/31  or 31/0/30  but really only works for a dagger rouge for backstabbing its not the best spec but won many duels w/ it. but mutilate is indeed much better</p>
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		<title>By: zippy</title>
		<link>http://dominateyourserver.com/2008/04/17/talent-specs-and-you/comment-page-1/#comment-200</link>
		<dc:creator>zippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wats gavins character name....oh and btw im a retard....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wats gavins character name&#8230;.oh and btw im a retard&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Cédric</title>
		<link>http://dominateyourserver.com/2008/04/17/talent-specs-and-you/comment-page-1/#comment-197</link>
		<dc:creator>Cédric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont think so Ren

A paladin may have to build 41/20 eccept for retrbution pally, there is a very good build that you can do.

It&#039;s called a Recconing pally. Just build enough to get recconing in protection (That&#039;s about 25 pts but usualy your gonna take blessing of sacntuary so it makes 26) and then put the rest on ret, maybe 5 pts on 10% str and intel

so it might look like this : 10/26/25 or 5/25/31.

And I agree that the rest is true

Moonyang : Cenarion Circle - Night elf Hunter.
Kaylaya : Cenarion Circle - Human priestess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont think so Ren</p>
<p>A paladin may have to build 41/20 eccept for retrbution pally, there is a very good build that you can do.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s called a Recconing pally. Just build enough to get recconing in protection (That&#8217;s about 25 pts but usualy your gonna take blessing of sacntuary so it makes 26) and then put the rest on ret, maybe 5 pts on 10% str and intel</p>
<p>so it might look like this : 10/26/25 or 5/25/31.</p>
<p>And I agree that the rest is true</p>
<p>Moonyang : Cenarion Circle &#8211; Night elf Hunter.<br />
Kaylaya : Cenarion Circle &#8211; Human priestess.</p>
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		<title>By: Rommoram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rommoram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post.... for Hunters....

Playing a Warlock, this doesnt really help, infact now that you mention it, i can&#039;t really think of any class that would really need a 31/30 spec in any respective except hunters. I mean, a number of classes could get away with doing it, it just wouldn&#039;t put out &#039;end game&#039; dps. Warlocks, for example, want to be using a mainly demoonolodgy spec for leveling and into the really shit gear of kara, once a decent kara gear is reached head onto affliction then with ssc/tk gear go a 0/21/40 spec for the really high dps.

So yeah... let me know what everybody else thinks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post&#8230;. for Hunters&#8230;.</p>
<p>Playing a Warlock, this doesnt really help, infact now that you mention it, i can&#8217;t really think of any class that would really need a 31/30 spec in any respective except hunters. I mean, a number of classes could get away with doing it, it just wouldn&#8217;t put out &#8216;end game&#8217; dps. Warlocks, for example, want to be using a mainly demoonolodgy spec for leveling and into the really shit gear of kara, once a decent kara gear is reached head onto affliction then with ssc/tk gear go a 0/21/40 spec for the really high dps.</p>
<p>So yeah&#8230; let me know what everybody else thinks!</p>
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		<title>By: Ren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A well written post Gavin.

Personally, I don&#039;t think all classes can/should super specialize or necessarily benefit the most from a 30/31 build. Take Palidins for example. You can&#039;t invest in protection at all unless you plan on tanking so puting points into that tree is not an option for a retribution palidin. On the other hand there are a lot of skills in the retribution tree that arent worth anything so you can&#039;t put all your points their either. 

In the end to have balanced talents in any two trees just means you can do two things moderately well but not be really good at a single thing. For a Palidin, they need to have a 41/20 build so they can have a solid build and battle plan with their 41 points and compliment it with the remaining 20 points into another tree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A well written post Gavin.</p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t think all classes can/should super specialize or necessarily benefit the most from a 30/31 build. Take Palidins for example. You can&#8217;t invest in protection at all unless you plan on tanking so puting points into that tree is not an option for a retribution palidin. On the other hand there are a lot of skills in the retribution tree that arent worth anything so you can&#8217;t put all your points their either. </p>
<p>In the end to have balanced talents in any two trees just means you can do two things moderately well but not be really good at a single thing. For a Palidin, they need to have a 41/20 build so they can have a solid build and battle plan with their 41 points and compliment it with the remaining 20 points into another tree.</p>
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